Mugabe: 2 More Years... Again?

[Tom Paine]

"Mugabe himself has decided to come clean about his succession. He basically has decided to succeed himself," former Minister of Information and now independent MP Jonathan Moyo told the BBC's World Today programme.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6178905.stm

Oh, yes, that comes from near the end, but I thought it truly summarised the facts of the matter. Mugabe is getting more time in office. Again. Reportedly

The president had said he would retire in 2008 after 28 years in office.

And he has pushed this back to 2010; 30 years in office. His reign has seen the destruction of an economy;

Zimbabwe has the world high rate of inflation - more than 1,000% a year and chronic unemployment.

He has overseen a racist policy of

seizure of white-owned land.

Using violent means; and he has used violence to win the various election that have given him 6 terms in office. Of coure, its not his fault, not at all:

He says he is the victim of a western plot to bring him down because of opposition to his seizure of white-owned land.

Bloody hell, the West is doing too little, not too much in Zimbabwe... Or are we doing more than enough? Some comments, please (and let's not all attack Mugabe, much though he deserves it).

[Farnan]

He's one of the guys I'd like to see have an unfortunate accident...

Well that pretty much goes for most African Despots.

[LoZz]

well - we took out sadam for murdering his own people
why not this guy - tbh i would of prefered with invided zimbabwe

[Shaun]

well - we took out sadam for murdering his own people
why not this guy - tbh i would of prefered with invided zimbabwe

Because Zimbabwe dosent have oil . . .
If this guy got removed by the Americans I would be happy, and the world as a whole would see America in a better light. Unfortunetly, you can guarantee that Zimbabwe wont be liberated. unless Mugabe is pictured doing something distasteful to an American flag. With this guy no lies and propoganda will be needed to gather support.

[removeduser_426582376423734]

What can you say? He's just another warlord, except with a recognized title and more than the usual amount of goons.

[Tom Paine]

Hardly so. He's done far more damage to his nation than any other African ruler; look at, for instance, the annual inflation. He has near-recdord high level, about, I think, those of Depression-era Germany!

[Farnan]

Maybe a cruise missile heading for a target in Iraq can miss and hit him. You know we Americans aren't that good at geography...

[Aristophanes]

If the US military moved in, it would be another Haiti, or another Iraq. Failed states are all the same: the only thing we can hope for is that some strong leadership comes along.

[Da Skinna]

Maybe a cruise missile heading for a target in Iraq can miss and hit him. You know we Americans aren't that good at geography...

One of the few times we'd be happy to see that ignorance of geography.

Mugabe is like Saddam, but without all that crazy religion stuff thrown in. He's the strongman that just might hold his country together like a lynchpin, but we'd have to see if there's any capable and competent opposition first to take his place if he were to have some accident.

[Tom Paine]

Mugabe has succeeded through his implementation of socialist reforms in transforming his country from Africa's breadbasket to a place where people routinely starve. He has probably done more damage to his country than any leader save the "Dear Leader" himself. Hopefully he just passes away. The sooner the better.

What socialist reforms? He's not siezed the property for the state, he's siezed it to hand it out to black owners! Its simple racism, not socialism!

One of the few times we'd be happy to see that ignorance of geography.

Mugabe is like Saddam, but without all that crazy religion stuff thrown in. He's the strongman that just might hold his country together like a lynchpin, but we'd have to see if there's any capable and competent opposition first to take his place if he were to have some accident.

Um... Saddam, like Mugabe, was a totally secular leader... Saddam was effectively from the same mold as Mugabe, but 20-odd years ago (15, even) he had WMD.... that's the difference. Oh, and oil, of course.

[Da Skinna]

Um... Saddam, like Mugabe, was a totally secular leader... Saddam was effectively from the same mold as Mugabe, but 20-odd years ago (15, even) he had WMD.... that's the difference. Oh, and oil, of course.

I know. I meant the population that they lorded over, as far as I know, there ain't no volatile mix of religious factions in Zimbabwe as there are in Iraq...

[Tom Paine]

Mugabe is the strong leadership. That's problem in itself. Strong leadership is not in and of itself good, despite the facist (in the technical sense) mindset.

[Aristophanes]

Mugabe is the strong leadership. That's problem in itself. Strong leadership is not in and of itself good, despite the facist (in the technical sense) mindset.

We clearly have different definitions of 'strong leadership'.

[Tom Paine]

He has a strong grip on all aspects of the nation. He has, however, through his use of his strong leadership driven out allforeign business, or nearly so, and driven out many of his own countrymen.

[AMERICARULES]

Mugabe has succeeded through his implementation of socialist reforms in transforming his country from Africa's breadbasket to a place where people routinely starve. He has probably done more damage to his country than any leader save the "Dear Leader" himself. Hopefully he just passes away. The sooner the better.

[VALIS]

god,i cant believe we going to let him get away with all this and not slot him!
just like Idi Amin,i'm still pissed we never killed him as well!

Africans are a pretty unlucky bunch.

[The Alcotroll]

You know the best bit? The British Immigration service (or whichever ****ing incompetent bastards are in charge of the ****ing circus at the moment) are still sending assylum seekers back there.

Today my class and I said goodbye to a lovely little African girl who's going on an unexpected Christmas holiday. She's six years old and her parents have been resident in Britan for two years or so, having fled Mugabe's ****-pit. She even has a one-year-old brother who was born in this country.
Two weeks ago, we learned that her parents had been denied assylum and are to be repatriated. Tomorrow they'll be traveling down to London, and they'll be back in Zimbabwe for Christmas.

I'm so ****ing pissed off, I can hardly type.

[Tom Paine]

Not any more, there aren't. There's just a volatile mix of people who hate Mugabe and people who fear him more than they hate him...


Alcotroll, that's pretty ****ing screwed up... have they tried appealing? Despite the Blunkett attempts to change it, they have a right of appeal...

[Farnan]

Alcotroll: Help them try to get refugee status in the US. According to this report we have a ceiling of 22,000 refugees from Africa, but only project 17,200 so it seems we have space available for refugees. We also consider Zimbabwe a problem...

Here's the report I found: http://www.state.gov/g/prm/rls/rpt/2006/73619.htm#1

[Aristophanes]

Alcotroll: Help them try to get refugee status in the US. According to this report we have a ceiling of 22,000 refugees from Africa, but only project 17,200 so it seems we have space available for refugees. We also consider Zimbabwe a problem...

Here's the report I found: http://www.state.gov/g/prm/rls/rpt/2006/73619.htm#1

Best solution. I'm all for helping people move from crap countries to not crap countries, but I think it's important that they be tested in immigration to ensure they don't bring the crap with them, whether it's ethnocentrism, or just plain stupidity.