Clearing Up Misconceptions about IRAN

**The Despondent Mind** · June 28, 2016, 05:30 PM

Iran has problems like every other major nation but as Islamic states go it's pretty alright and more importantly it seems to go in a pretty good direction, Saudi Arabia however needs to go if this world wants to progress.

**snuggans** · June 28, 2016, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Despondent Mind

Iran has problems like every other major nation but as Islamic states go it's pretty alright and more importantly it seems to go in a pretty good direction, Saudi Arabia however needs to go if this world wants to progress.

the world progresses with Saudi Arabia, just look at that international trade traffic happening all around Saudi waters and between the Mediterranean and Indian oceans

remember, we don't keep a carrier group in the straits of Hormuz because of Saudi Arabia, it's because of Iran

sure, Iran can keep rolling out its more liberal younger demographics (who have no real power) into the spotlight, to save face for everything else that's wrong with it, but at some point you have to look past the cosmetic excuses

and for the millionth time, there might be individuals and charities in Saudi Arabia that are funding Sunni terror groups, but Iran is sponsoring terror groups of ANY sect, at the STATE LEVEL, which is waaaaaay worse

**The Despondent Mind** · July 02, 2016, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by snuggans

the world progresses with Saudi Arabia, just look at that international trade traffic happening all around Saudi waters and between the Mediterranean and Indian oceans

remember, we don't keep a carrier group in the straits of Hormuz because of Saudi Arabia, it's because of Iran

sure, Iran can keep rolling out its more liberal younger demographics (who have no real power) into the spotlight, to save face for everything else that's wrong with it, but at some point you have to look past the cosmetic excuses

and for the millionth time, there might be individuals and charities in Saudi Arabia that are funding Sunni terror groups, but Iran is sponsoring terror groups of ANY sect, at the STATE LEVEL, which is waaaaaay worse

Saudi Arabia is on the level of a fictional evil empire, something that is so comically evil that you think it shouldn't exist in a real world, and I have yet to be convinced Iran is sponsoring all the sects on a state level. So far history has shown us that every country sponsors some shady

s, but all the shady

s? Nah...

While S.A. may not support so many f-up terrorist groups, they are harboring their supporters and are doing their shady work in lots of other subtle ways.

**snuggans** · July 02, 2016, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Despondent Mind

Saudi Arabia is on the level of a fictional evil empire, something that is so comically evil that you think it shouldn't exist in a real world, and I have yet to be convinced Iran is sponsoring all the sects on a state level. So far history has shown us that every country sponsors some shady

s, but all the shady

s? Nah...

While S.A. may not support so many f-up terrorist groups, they are harboring their supporters and are doing their shady work in lots of other subtle ways.

there's nothing more i can do for you then, you can continue to discard actual information and go on with your preconceived comic-book angle

also, one more thing i forgot, people keep bringing up the young liberal demographics of Iran as if it was some trump card, as if Saudi Arabia doesn't have one too, which by the way has more freedom than the Iranian counterpart because young liberal Saudis go on exchange to western countries all the time and become even more liberal, whereas most Iranians who are abroad are there because they fled

now with Obama's nuclear deal, academic exchange between the west and Iran should increase and young Iranians can see the world for what it can be, for the very first time. thanks Obama!

**empr guy** · June 28, 2016, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by snuggans

the world progresses with Saudi Arabia, just look at that international trade traffic happening all around Saudi waters and between the Mediterranean and Indian oceans

remember, we don't keep a carrier group in the straits of Hormuz because of Saudi Arabia, it's because of Iran

sure, Iran can keep rolling out its more liberal younger demographics (who have no real power) into the spotlight, to save face for everything else that's wrong with it, but at some point you have to look past the cosmetic excuses

and for the millionth time, there might be individuals and charities in Saudi Arabia that are funding Sunni terror groups, but Iran is sponsoring terror groups of ANY sect, at the STATE LEVEL, which is waaaaaay worse

I'm pretty sure you know this is BS, Saudi Arabia is at least as bad as Iran, I haven't seen any Iranians murdered for "practicing magic" when their slave owners get tired of them. Not to mention SA's state religion is wahhabism, which is the foundation of groups like isis and al qaeda. SA's response to the refugee crisis? They'll generously build mosques in Germany, so that they can fund the next wave of wahhabi terrorists that are EU citizens! Iran also has a path to moderation in the next few decades, SA's monarchy means that it will take generations to fix the country if you don't want it to collapse completely.

**snuggans** · June 28, 2016, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by empr guy

I'm pretty sure you know this is BS, Saudi Arabia is at least as bad as Iran, I haven't seen any Iranians murdered for "practicing magic" when their slave owners get tired of them. Not to mention SA's state religion is wahhabism, which is the foundation of groups like isis and al qaeda. SA's response to the refugee crisis? They'll generously build mosques in Germany, so that they can fund the next wave of wahhabi terrorists that are EU citizens! Iran also has a path to moderation in the next few decades, SA's monarchy means that it will take generations to fix the country if you don't want it to collapse completely.

just because you namedropped a couple of negative Saudi aspects in a row doesn't mean they're magically equal by your arbitrary metric now, especially when you didn't even compare each aspect that you listed with Iran's counterpart, other than to clarify that Iran has not yet committed a specific execution method or reason for heresy, ignoring that Iranian execution stats dwarf total Saudi executions. as far as i know this thread isn't called the "Clearing up misconceptions about Saudi Arabia" anyway

seems like this is turning into the same old "whitewash for Iran, direct smoke towards Saudi arabia" thread again

i am speaking in real geopolitical terms and all people can do is "well SA did this and this and this", lol, if only people could appreciate just how useful the Saudi overproduction of oil is in regards to plummeting the oil economies of the Russians and Iranians, which are the two most relevant military threats right now outside of daesh and a slowing China (who also relies on exporting oil though not as much)

**empr guy** · June 28, 2016, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by snuggans

just because you namedropped a couple of negative Saudi aspects in a row doesn't mean they're magically equal by your arbitrary metric now, especially when you didn't even compare each aspect that you listed with Iran's counterpart, other than to clarify that Iran has not yet committed a specific execution method or reason for heresy, ignoring that Iranian execution stats dwarf total Saudi executions. as far as i know this thread isn't called the "Clearing up misconceptions about Saudi Arabia" anyway

seems like this is turning into the same old "whitewash for Iran, direct smoke towards Saudi arabia" thread again

i am speaking in real geopolitical terms and all people can do is "well SA did this and this and this", lol, if only people could appreciate just how useful the Saudi overproduction of oil is in regards to plummeting the oil economies of the Russians and Iranians, which are the two most relevant military threats right now outside of daesh and a slowing China (who also relies on exporting oil though not as much)

I think you're very confused, the saudis being useful doesn't mean their country isn't a repressive

hole. The Iranian government being retarded doesn't mean their objectively less (but still)

country is worse then the Saudis. As for daesh being a relevant threat, Do you think it's Iran thats promoting the radical wahhabism that's used as a theological basis throughout the world?

**Abdülmecid I** · June 29, 2016, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by empr guy

I think you're very confused, the saudis being useful doesn't mean their country isn't a repressive

hole. The Iranian government being retarded doesn't mean their objectively less (but still)

country is worse then the Saudis. As for daesh being a relevant threat, Do you think it's Iran thats promoting the radical wahhabism that's used as a theological basis throughout the world?

I don't think he's confused, you both are simply examining the situation from different perspectives. From his own, rather ultra-nationalist and condescending towards Middle-Easterners point of view, Iran is indeed more dangerous for global stability and peace, because he consciously identifies both these notions with the foreign interests of the US, against which Iran and its proxies, such as Hezbollah present a greater threat than the disorganised and irregular Salafist terrorists. Appeals to the issue of human rights, such as his hope of Shias being behind the Paris attacks or repeatedly posting the number of executions in Iran, while conveniently ignoring the activities of the drug cartels and the foreign-backed terrorist groups of PJAK and Jundallah, are just useful pretexts, intending to hide tribalism and xenophobia under a thin humanitarian veil.

Originally Posted by empr guy

From these pictures I see a plane with a max take off weight less then most fighters weigh empty, a cockpit too small for a man to actually sit in, the cockpit display looks like some sort of cessna control panel more then anything, air intake is above the wings instead of below, there is no engine nozzle, etc. and a country that has no aviation industry at all, instead of replacing it's 50's era fighters with something conventional suddenly built a super high tech 6th gen stealth fighter. Do you understand why people don't think it's real?

I'm really clueless about engineering and military equipment, in general, so my question might sound stupid, but theoretically, couldn't Iran deploy stealth fighters, based on the knowledge acquired, after it brought down that American stealth aircraft, back in 2011. There are conflicting reports about the reliability of the Iranian copy, but, since the American version probably landed smoothly, without any serious damage, the Iranian claims might be not so easily dismissed.

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · June 28, 2016, 05:55 PM

They're both the leaders of a proxy war for like 4 decades almost.
It's just that Saddam thought he was the leader of his respective side. He was mistaken.

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · June 28, 2016, 06:16 PM

The fact that Iran has not collapsed despite being so ethnically diverse is truly amazing. SA's diversity is like one tribe from another tribe. oops forgot Pakistani wage slaves.

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · June 28, 2016, 08:03 PM

I think I prefer an Iranian mullah any day over one of those inbred Saudi royals.

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · June 28, 2016, 11:42 PM

Kind of a general question.
What do you mean? They are Islamic clerics who also serve as judges of sorts.

**Fardin** · June 29, 2016, 12:02 AM

I heard a very funny story from wahhabies recently:They believe after exploding themselves between shias or their enemies they'll go to heaven and eat from its foods and honey so they carry a spoon with them all the time when they are going to explode themselves.We've found some spoons in the some of explosions areas in Iraq!

Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga

Kind of a general question.
What do you mean? They are Islamic clerics who also serve as judges of sorts.

It was a simple question.
If you communicate with them you'll realize that the most of them are very good persons.the most of them are really friendly and very wise and the most of them have a Lovable character;the most of them say hello and greeting with smiles to every stranger who looks at them.
Did you notice the "the most of them"sentence that I repeated?
because there are bad persons among them but a very low percent.

Originally Posted by empr guy

Also I like that you called out athanaric for being "brainwashed", yet no comment on the pictures "proving" Irans military might that had such obviously fake air craft that were made specifically as propaganda

I did not describe it because I had to translate a huge Farsi information to English and I was not in the mood for that so I'll put the website's links that described its features in Farsi but the images are English so you can see it's not a fake:http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/5281078/%D...88%DB%8C%D8%B1
http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/4256218/%D...9%87%D8%B1-313

**empr guy** · June 29, 2016, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by Fardin

I did not describe it because I had to translate a huge Farsi information to English and I was not in the mood for that so I'll put the website's links that described its features in Farsi but the images are English so you can see it's not a fake:http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/5281078/%D...88%DB%8C%D8%B1
http://www.yjc.ir/fa/news/4256218/%D...9%87%D8%B1-313

From these pictures I see a plane with a max take off weight less then most fighters weigh empty, a cockpit too small for a man to actually sit in, the cockpit display looks like some sort of cessna control panel more then anything, air intake is above the wings instead of below, there is no engine nozzle, etc. and a country that has no aviation industry at all, instead of replacing it's 50's era fighters with something conventional suddenly built a super high tech 6th gen stealth fighter. Do you understand why people don't think it's real?

**Fardin** · June 29, 2016, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by empr guy

From these pictures I see a plane with a max take off weight less then most fighters weigh empty, a cockpit too small for a man to actually sit in, the cockpit display looks like some sort of cessna control panel more then anything, air intake is above the wings instead of below, there is no engine nozzle, etc. and a country that has no aviation industry at all, instead of replacing it's 50's era fighters with something conventional suddenly built a super high tech 6th gen stealth fighter. Do you understand why people don't think it's real?

Actually it's5th generation and It 's a demo it will be completed in 2018