Clearing Up Misconceptions about IRAN

**Bethrezen** · June 25, 2016, 03:28 PM

I really, really want to visit Iran someday. Also wanted to visit Syria, but it's a bit too late for that, unfortunately. I hope you stay out of any wars!

Greetings from Romania!

**Fardin** · June 25, 2016, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bethrezen

I really, really want to visit Iran someday. Also wanted to visit Syria, but it's a bit too late for that, unfortunately. I hope you stay out of any wars!

Greetings from Romania!

Thanks.You'll make your best memories on traveling in Iran.If you want to feel Iran and our people accept locals invitations and spend some time with Iranian families.

Originally Posted by Isabella d'Este

So it has more to do with ''Iranian nationalism'' (i'm using this in the context of all ethnicities falling under the term 'iranian') rather than ethnic nationalism (as like Arab nationailsm)?

Yes, Iranian Gheyrat is not comparable to the others.The Saddam Hussein said we will capture Tehran in six days!But our peoples resistance in 8 years of war made him back to former borders without losing even one centimeter of our countries borders.

Originally Posted by Isabella d'Este

Is it true Qasem Soleimani was a bodybuilder?

Glad to hear you know about our hero Maj.Gen.Qusem Soleimani.

**empr guy** · June 25, 2016, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Fardin

he led Army to defend the religion.The infidels were provoking the muslims to turn against him.he had the power to attack the empires of Sassanids and Rome but he wrote letters to their kings to guide them to Islam.You can see the after his death his false successors begun conquering the middle east but the forth khalif Ali ibn Abutalib stopped conquering and begun to spreading the Islam in the right way.But the Arabs could not act that way so they became rebels to overthrow him from the power.
Ali ibn Abutalib is our(shias) first Imam.He is the cousin of the prophet and at first he was his son in law and then became his groom.He was the rightful successor of the prophet.
here you can find out more from our first Imam:https://www.al-islam.org/story-of-th...-abu-talib.and please do not search in wikipedia for this cases because it's one sided a bit

Ok but Mohammad also sent an army to attack the Byzantines but it was beaten back, as one example, I've read that it was retribution for a messenger that was killed but there's no way to claim that it was in defense of anything.

Ali was only caliph for 5 years and was fighting a civil war the entire time until he was assassinated. Your link doesn't work unfortunately so I'm not seeing anything to say he wouldn't have sent out conquering armies if he had actually been able to.

Originally Posted by Bethrezen

I really, really want to visit Iran someday. Also wanted to visit Syria, but it's a bit too late for that, unfortunately. I hope you stay out of any wars!

Greetings from Romania!

Yeah it looks quite nice, unfortunately as an American it would be hazardous to travel there ...

**Cyrene** · June 25, 2016, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by empr guy

Ok but Mohammad also sent an army to attack the Byzantines but it was beaten back, as one example, I've read that it was retribution for a messenger that was killed but there's no way to claim that it was in defense of anything

Originally Posted by Fardin

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Battle_of_Tabuk here you can get your answers

I believe he is referring to the Battle of Mu'tah, which was actually not directed at the Romans, but the Ghassanids, Muhammad's letter intended for Heraclius was intercepted by Shurahbil Ibn Amr, the Ghassanid Chief, who killed the Messenger; the 3000 army sent by Muhammad marched into Ghassanid territory, but was surprised to face not only the Ghassanids, but also a roman army led by Theodore (heraclius' brother)

**empr guy** · June 25, 2016, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Fardin

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Battle_of_Tabuk
here you can get your answers

According to this the Mohammad was told the Byzantines were going to lead a counter raid because of Mu'tah but they never actually did. edit; whoops i didn't mention specifically which battle I was talking about previously, Cyrene is correct

You have watched that Argo bull sh it?haven't you?
If Iranians find out that you are American they will show more respect to you.If You do not believe me just read the blogs of the American tourists who have visited Iran.

Nah I've never seen it, Iran's just good at imprisoning people for espionage and then denying them things like lawyers or trials with actual evidence. It's not the iranian people i'd be afraid of it's the government itself. I'd expect with the nuclear deal things will calm down a bit but it won't happen overnight.

**Fardin** · June 25, 2016, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by empr guy

According to this the Mohammad was told the Byzantines were going to lead a counter raid because of Mu'tah but they never actually did. edit; whoops i didn't mention specifically which battle I was talking about previously, Cyrene is correct

Are you sure the prophet attacked Cyrene?I think his successors(not Imam Ali) led that war and at that time the prophet was not alive!
I corrected the first link I gave.Please read it.

Originally Posted by empr guy

Nah I've never seen it, Iran's just good at imprisoning people for espionage and then denying them things like lawyers or trials with actual evidence. It's not the iranian people i'd be afraid of it's the government itself. I'd expect with the nuclear deal things will calm down a bit but it won't happen overnight.

Visit http://iranisgreat.com/press And watch the videos.You will realize how the government acts towards foreigners.If you respect the laws you'll never ever have any issues with the government.

Originally Posted by Condottiere 40K

The Americans were supplying arms to both the Iraqis and Iranians, so a stalemate suited them.

USA sold weapons to Iran only one or two times But about 50 countries supported the Saddam Hussein.

Originally Posted by Cyrene

I believe he is referring to the Battle of Mu'tah, which was actually not directed at the Romans, but the Ghassanids, Muhammad's letter intended for Heraclius was intercepted by Shurahbil Ibn Amr, the Ghassanid Chief, who killed the Messenger; the 3000 army sent by Muhammad marched into Ghassanid territory, but was surprised to face not only the Ghassanids, but also a roman army led by Theodore (heraclius' brother)

thank you for your answering.where are you from?

**Cyrene** · June 25, 2016, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Fardin

Are you sure the prophet attacked Cyrene?I think his successors(not Imam Ali) led that war and at that time the prophet was not alive!

he was not present at the battle itself - if that's what's what you're asking about - but it occurred during his life-time.

though as i said previously the expedition was against the Ghassanids (not Romans) in retaliation to their killing of his messenger, meaning it was retaliatory raid and not military conquest like that of the three Caliphs.

thank you for your answering.where are you from?

Many places, though not from Iran, unfortunately.

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · June 25, 2016, 04:05 PM

Is Qasem Soleimani a major popular figure? Does he figure strongly in your nation's propaganda the way that Georgy Zhukov was in the USSR? Or is it like USA where generals are omitted from the propaganda and the name of the leader is mentioned solely?
I mean if you watch the news over here the generals are almost never mentioned as opposed to say 50 years ago when everyone knew about MacArthur or Eisenhower.

Do you think the fact that the succession of Muhammad was resolved with Muawiyah that it doesn't make Shiism irrelevant? I mean that was hundreds of years ago, why should anyone care who the successor of Muhammad should have been? Moreover do you think this is one of the reasons for why Shiism has not spread as much, because no one cares? Personally I agree that Ali should have succeeded Muhammad and not Abu Bakr but again why is this still an issue?

Also what is your opinion of Nader Shah's Sunni reforms? The Jafariism? Are there lots of Sunnis in Khorasan? Was Nader Shah raised as a Sunni or was he a Shia and changed his mind later?

**Fardin** · June 25, 2016, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga

Is Qasem Soleimani a major popular figure? Does he figure strongly in your nation's propaganda the way that Georgy Zhukov was in the USSR? Or is it like USA where generals are omitted from the propaganda and the name of the leader is mentioned solely?
I mean if you watch the news over here the generals are almost never mentioned as opposed to say 50 years ago when everyone knew about MacArthur or Eisenhower.

Do you think the fact that the succession of Muhammad was resolved with Muawiyah that it doesn't make Shiism irrelevant? I mean that was hundreds of years ago, why should anyone care who the successor of Muhammad should have been? Moreover do you think this is one of the reasons for why Shiism has not spread as much, because no one cares? Personally I agree that Ali should have succeeded Muhammad and not Abu Bakr but again why is this still an issue?

Also what is your opinion of Nader Shah's Sunni reforms? The Jafariism? Are there lots of Sunnis in Khorasan? Was Nader Shah raised as a Sunni or was he a Shia and changed his mind later?

Yes, Gen.Qasem Soleimani is popular in Iran,Iraq and Syria and even between some of the Russians because of his actions towards their soldiers and generals and of course his many successful battle plans.one of his more renowned ops is the saving the Russian pilot from ISIS with 24 commandos without any casualties or even one scratch.He is commander of one of the most powerful and eliteTask forces of Iran named Quds Force.

Muawiyah is a violator who disobeyed Imam Ali.He is a very bad character in Shia history.
we care about the successor of the prophet because we are fallowing his footsteps.Imam Ali was a perfect human from every aspects of life. so we call him Osveh.
All of the muslims(shia and sunni) show respect to our Imams because there is not even one negative point in their lives.We muslims(shia and sunnies) are all brothers and respect each other and we are living in the same country with them but in recent centuries western empires created Wahhabism to break the strong bond between muslims and they were successful!
But now with the leadership of the God and Mr.Khamenie we are regaining our unity as you can see we are fighting with each other against terrorists of middle east.

Nader shah is one of most respected kings in the history of Iran because of uniting Iran and defending it against the Empires of Russia and Ottomans.Nader Shah was a Sunni king.Iranians religion turned to Shia since the Safavids Dynasty.
most of the Sunnies in Iran are living in Sistan va balouchestan and Kurdistan province.
As I said we respect every muslim but Wahhabion.
You do know about Iran and Islamic history!I should say I've studied the history of Japan and I must say you have a rich history and culture.

Originally Posted by Infidel144

Odd that Ali had to ask the issue for fighting them, and Muhammad did not say that was the issue:

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Attacked with out warning.

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Khalid bin Walid was sent to offer the people of Najran a choice, conversion or war:

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The Messenger of God sent Khalid b. al-Walid in the month of Rabi' II, or Jumada I, in the year 10/631 to Banu al Harith b. Kab in Najran and ordered to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they should respond to him [with the acceptance of Islam], then he was to accept it from them, and to stay with them and teach them the Book of God, the sunnah of His prophet, and the requirements of Islam [ma'alim al-islam),if they should decline then he was to fight them.
Khalid departed and came to them, sending out riders in every direction inviting them to Islam and saying, "O people, accept Islam, and you will be safe." So they embraced Islam and responded to his call. Khalid stayed with them, teaching them Islam, the Book of God, and the sunnah of His prophet. Then Khalid wrote to the Messenger of God: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, to Muhammad the Prophet, the Messenger of God, from Khalid b. al-Walid. Peace be upon you, O Messenger of God, and God's mercy and blessings." The Messenger of God wrote to him:570 "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, from Muhammad, the Prophet, the Messenger of God, to Khalid b. al-Walid. I praise God, the only God, unto you, the only God.
Now then: O Messenger of God, God bless you. You sent me to the Banu al-Harith b Ka'b and ordered that when i came to them, I should not fight them for three days and that I should Invite them to Islam. [You also ordered that] if they accepted it, I should accept it from them and teach then the requirements of Islam. The Book of God and the Sunnah of His Prophet. If they did not accept Islam, I was to fight them. I came to them and invited them to Islam for three days as the Messenger of God commanded me, and I sent riders among them riders among them [announcing], 'O Banu al-Harith, embrace Islam, and you will be safe.' They have surrendered and did not fight, and I am staying in their midst ordering them [to do] what God has ordered, forbidding them from [doing] what God has forbidden, and teaching them the requirements of Islam and Sunnah of the Prophet, until the Messenger of God writes to me. Peace be upon you, O Messenger of God, and God's mercy and blessings.
The Messenger of God wrote to him: "In the name of God the most compassionate the most merciful, from Muhammad, the Prophet, the Messenger of God, to Khalid b. al-Walid. Peace be upon you. I praise God, the only God, unto you. Now then: Your letter has reached me via a Messenger with news that the Banu al Harith [b. Ka'b] surrender before they fought and responded to your invitation of Islam and pronouncement (of the shahadah) that there is no God, except God alone, who has no associate and that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger. God has guided them with His guidance, so give them good tidings and warn them and return, and let their deputation come with you. Peace be upon you, and God's mercy and His blessings." Then Khalid b. al-Walid came back to the Messenger of God and with him came the deputation of Banu al-Harith b. Ka'b. Qays b. al-Husayn b. Yazid b. Qanan Dhu al-Ghussah, Yazid b. 'Abd al-Madan,Yazid b. al-Muhajjal, 'Abdallah b. Qurayz , al- Ziyadi, Shadad b. Abdullah al-Qanani, and Amr b. Abdallah al-Dababi were among the delegation.
When they came to the Messenger of God, he saw them and asked who those people were, because they looked like Indians. He was told that they were the Banu al-Harith b. Ka'b. When they stood before the Messenger of God, they greeted him and said, "We testify that you are the Messenger of God and that there is no god but Allah." He replied, "And I testify that there is no god but Allah, and that I am the Messenger of God". Then he said "You are the ones when driven away would push forward." They then became silent and none of them answered him. He repeated it three times and none of them replied.
When he repeated it the fourth time Yazid b. 'Abd al-Madan replied, "Yes, O Messenger of God, we are the ones who, when driven away, pushed forward," and he repeated it four times. The Messenger of God said, "Had Khalid b. al-Walid not written to me that you had surrendered and had not fought, I would have thrown your heads underneath your feet."

Tabari volume 9
https://books.google.com/books?id=Xx...page&q&f=false

here you can get your answers from the event of Mubahala:http://en.wikishia.net/view/Mubahala
The Tabari history is a distorted source and no body refers to it in the History debates.

**Condottiere 40K** · June 25, 2016, 05:23 PM

The Americans were supplying arms to both the Iraqis and Iranians, so a stalemate suited them.

**Col. Tartleton** · June 26, 2016, 02:20 AM

I look forward to the day when The Republic of Iran throws off the shackles of Islam.

**Fardin** · June 26, 2016, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton

I look forward to the day when The Republic of Iran throws off the shackles of Islam.

That day will never come.but if you study Islam and particularly shia in the correct source you'll realize Islam is the religion of clement and mercy.I opened this thread to discuss about Iran and Islam.If you know something about Islam you can ask me and I'll answer to you gladly.

Here are more images:

Panorama pics

**Fardin** · June 26, 2016, 06:17 AM

Some pics from concerts:

Mr.Zarif in National Orchestra

**Dragus** · June 26, 2016, 02:29 PM

Not wanting to behave cruelly or mock you like some others here, but here is a serious and honest reply/opinion from the view of a secular and liberal westerner:

I know you're trying hard (especially the young people) over there, but reality is reality and America is going to look out for American interests. As long as you keep treating free speech (like the cartoons) and sexual orientation or even sexual activity in such an authoritarian fashion, you're not going to get much sympathy from anyone in the western world.

And no respect is deserved for theocracies of any kind anyway, humanitarian crimes or not. Every religion claims to be the religion of peace and mercy. They're all misused for authority. They're all garbage in the end. Right now Iran is in the hands of a garbage government. Say what you will about our ruthless tactics to maintain American global supremacy, but we've got you doing horrible stuff, far worse stuff red-handed and out in the open. It's not even a close comparison.

In short, quit being an authoritarian, anti-democratic, and theocratic antagonist to our planet's free peoples. Then people will quit treating you like one. No amount of pretty photographs will change this. Words are wind. Change your country and drop the religious government, or expect no media or military mercy from the rest of the world in the future.

To be clear, the hypocrisy and economic/strategic favoritism towards regimes like Saudi Arabia is certainly something we're conscious about on our end too, and they don't deserve a free pass either. But it doesn't change the reality of Iran's current positions or the fact that said positions oppose our interests and vision for our species' future.

If Iran's citizens continued to shift and change the country from within, would giving them time to do so be preferable to war? Absolutely and certainly. A lot of us aren't like the warmongering Republican-types you hear from, but at the same time if push comes to shove we're going to be prepared to do what we need to do to safeguard secular freedom on this planet.

**Abdülmecid I** · June 26, 2016, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dragus

Say what you will about our ruthless tactics to maintain American global supremacy, but we've got you doing horrible stuff, far worse stuff red-handed and out in the open. It's not even a close comparison.

The Islamic Republic of Iran has been caught doing worse stuff than the Trail of Tears, the installation of brutal dictatorships, the invasion of foreign countries and the Orange Agent? News to me, could you share some specific examples?

Originally Posted by Dragus

In short, quit being an authoritarian, anti-democratic, and theocratic antagonist to our planet's free peoples. Then people will quit treating you like one. No amount of pretty photographs will change this. Words are wind. Change your country and drop the religious government, or expect no media or military mercy from the rest of the world in the future.

Let's not pretend that American animosity towards Iran has anything to do with human rights and the theocratic elements in its government. The real reason is that the two states have conflicting interests in the Middle East and that there's some sort of bitterness, since the time the American companies lost their special privilege of exploiting Iran's natural resources at the expense of the Iranian people. Meanwhile, the US were best friends with the overthrown imperial regime, to which Khomeini paled in comparison, in terms of ruthlessness and sanguinary tendencies, not to mention, as you already said, the case of Saudi Arabia. After all, no matter how many times the crane image will be spammed, advertisement for executioners, "extra talented at amputating and beheading, as religious functionaries" is slightly more shocking:

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Originally Posted by Dragus

If Iran's citizens continued to shift and change the country from within, would giving them time to do so be preferable to war? Absolutely and certainly. A lot of us aren't like the warmongering Republican-types you hear from, but at the same time if push comes to shove we're going to be prepared to do what we need to do to safeguard secular freedom on this planet.

I am certain that the Iranian people appreciates immensely your generosity, for giving them some time to readjust their internal affairs to your preference, before Its Majesty, the American government, loses its patience and decides to teach these brown natives the advantages of democracy, by force. Statements like those make me wonder how can it be possible for the "warmongering Republicans" to be even more hawkish...

Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton

Y'all need Mazda.

No, their handling is unreliable. After all, they already have IKCO and SAIPA.

Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga

Is this true?

It is true, peasants always tended to be less educated and more conservative and religious than the city folk, but I would say that this is a global phenomenon and not limited only to the east. Even in the latest elections and referendums, any map will show that older parties and more conservative ideologies are always more prevalent in the countryside and the smaller urban centers.

**Bethrezen** · June 26, 2016, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dragus

[...] but at the same time if push comes to shove we're going to be prepared to do what we need to do to safeguard secular freedom on this planet.

I'm sorry, is this line from Independence Day: Resurgence, or something? Or maybe a superhero movie?

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · June 26, 2016, 03:01 PM

I have a theory that no one believes.
In non-Western countries the rural population and the urban populations are very different. The people that live in the country side tend to be uneducated and even think differently than the people in the cities. The people living in the rural country side are also much less westernized.
Is this true?

From my experiences traveling throughout South America this also appears to be the case.

Also do you want a direct Democracy the kind that we have in the West? What is the opinion of most people in Iran?

**Fardin** · June 26, 2016, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga

I have a theory that no one believes.
In non-Western countries the rural population and the urban populations are very different. The people that live in the country side tend to be uneducated and even think differently than the people in the cities. The people living in the rural country side are also much less westernized.
Is this true?

yes.all of it was true except education

Originally Posted by Lord Oda Nobunaga

Also do you want a direct Democracy the kind that we have in the West? What is the opinion of most people in Iran?

Have you studied about the IRI governments democracy system?It's Islamic form of democracy in Iran.
and about the peoples opinion about being like west is about:70%no-30%yes.
I should say we love Islam and we love our country.But in this world if you want a direct democracy you should be the servant of USA like what happened in Japan after WW2.USA will continue to Interference in the countries for every little reason often made by themselves.in shiism we do not accept any humiliation.Imam Hussain said in Ashura: Death with dignity is better than living with disgrace.

**Lord Oda Nobunaga** · June 26, 2016, 05:25 PM

I would say though that in the Western countries the gap between the peasants and the urban populations tends to be much smaller than pretty much everywhere else. With the exception being urban areas that are immediately affected by a large amount of peasants coming in as workers such as the case with China. In that case the gap is tiny as the local urban people are almost one in the same as the peasants.

**zarmehr** · June 26, 2016, 06:21 PM

I am really proud of you brother fardin for writing this.May allah bless your words.

I always get surprised by those who claim to enlightenment, but they do not feel ashamed when they insult the beliefs of others