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    The widespread misconception surrounding Iran in the U.S./West is absolutely amazing given how much Iran is in the news. A lot of the misconceptions are due to the politically motivated waves of Iranophobia and Islamophobia in the U.S./Western media. Yet, the misunderstanding surrounding Iran isn't exclusive to Americans/Westerners living in less ethnically diverse areas. For instance, people even in Los Angeles, dubbed Tehrangeles by Iranians because of the size of the Iranian-American community, also hold lots of misconceptions about Iran. Yet, it doesn't stop there. I have found that even Iranian-Americans, especially those that either haven't gone to Iran since the 1979 Revolution, also have a false perception of Iran that is negatively skewed.

    Below is some information about Iran across several different areas that will hopefully clear up common misunderstandings:

    General Information
    1. Iranians are not Arabs.
    2. Farsi is the spoken language in Iran and not Arabic.
    3. Although the majority of Iranians are Muslim, they practice a different branch of Islam called Shiism.

    Culture
    1. Iranians have 2,500 years of pre-Islamic culture that has contributed considerably to the world and strongly influences the Iranian identity. This is important to note because Iranians are not just simply defined by their religion like other cultures in the Middle East who had little cultural capital until Islam.
    2. The Persian Empire spanned three continents -- Asia, Africa and Europe.
    3. Cyrus Cylinder, an artifact from the Persian Empire, is the world's first declaration of human rights. This cylinder is important in that it shows that King Cyrus, unlike many rulers throughout history, allowed peoples to keep their culture in tact and practice their respective religions.
    4. King Cyrus the Great of the Persian Empire is known for emancipating the Jews from slavery in Babylon.
    5. One of the first monotheistic religions in the world originated in Iran and is called Zoroastrianism. This religion is still practiced by some in Iran today and has three commandments: good thoughts, good words and good deeds. Spirituality and virtue has been historically important to Iranians.
    6. Iran is known for its ancient and modern poets who spoke about love, society, spirituality, politics, women, etc. Ancient poets include: Ferdowsi, Hafez, Khayyam, Saadi, and Rumi. Modern day pets include: Simin Behbahani, Sohrab Sepehri, Forough Farrokhzad, and Ahmad Shamloo.
    7. Iran was ruled under various dynasties for thousands of years.
    8. Iran's first attempt to achieve democracy occurred in the 1950's, but was short lived as the U.S. (CIA) and British (MI6) sabotaged efforts since the candidate elected wanted to nationalize Iranian oil, which would cut into U.S./Western profits. To this day, Iranians actively try to push their society towards democracy under a theocratic model.
    9. Arranged marriages in Iran are not common. In fact, according to a recent government report, the majority of unmarried females in Tehran have boyfriends.
    10. Modern day Iranian culture is a hybrid of individualism and collectivism, but the elements extracted from each are causing the society to be increasingly "peechedeh" or complex. Thus, unlike Western cultures, Iranians have multiple faces and it can be hard to navigate Iranian society, even for Iranians.

    Liberalism/Deviance
    1. Iran is a country of contrast, which shows two things: 1) the regime in Iran is not totalitarian, and 2) the people of Iran, despite being religious, are also liberal.
    2. Iranians throw parties and some of them are just as crazy as the ones found in the U.S./Europe.
    3. Alcohol and drugs are consumed in Iran.
    4. Not all young people abstain from having sex before marriage.
    5. The dating scene in Iran is quite active.
    6. People take to the streets to protest rulings, laws, etc. in Iran.
    7. Many women and men in Iran get plastic surgery, diet, go to the gym, and stay on top of the latest fashions. The style in Tehran is very European.
    8. Iran allows sex change operations to be preformed.

    Women in Society
    1. Women can drive, unlike women in Saudi Arabia.
    2. Women can vote, unlike women in Saudi Arabia.
    3. The majority of college students in Iran are females.
    4. Women in Iran are fully integrated into the work force. Iran has women fire fighters, doctors, lawyers, teachers, politicians, etc.
    5. Women in Iran, like in the U.S./West, are trying to garner more equal rights.

    Religion & Ethnic Diversity
    1. Iran is ethnically diverse. There are several minority populations, which include: Azeri, Kurd, Lur, Arab, Baloch, Turkmen and Armenian.
    2. Iran is religiously diverse. Although most Iranians are Muslims (Shia, to be exact), there are several religious minorities (i.e. Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews, etc.).
    3. Iran has the largest amount of Jewish people outside of Israel in the Middle East.
    4. There are many churches and synagogues in Iran.
    5. It is mandated in Iran's constitution that a seat must be reserved in Iran's Parliament for someone of the Jewish faith so that the Jewish community is represented.


    Westernization
    1. Ordinary Iranians, although displeased by U.S. foreign policy, love American culture, in part because it is the land of opportunity and has a strong democracy.
    2. Iranians love American movies, video games, music and fashion.
    3. There are lots of fast food restaurants throughout Iran that sell American style hamburgers and pizza.

    Music
    1. There are concerts in Iran.
    2. Iranian music include: traditional, rap, pop, rock, etc.

    Politics
    1. Iranians have not historically been the aggressors to the U.S./West.The US and European countries meddled in Iran's politics and governing system before 1979's revoloution(like overthrowing democratically elected Prime Minister "Muhammad Mosaddegh" and bringing back the dictator king who fled Iran in 1953 by a coup orginized by CIA and MI6)
    2. IRI government is now in the hand of a moderate President Hassan Rouhani who is trying to solve the nuclear issues between West and Iran.


    Goegraphy/Climate
    1. Iran is located in the Middle East.
    2. The majority of Iran is not desert. In fact, only 25% of Iran is desert.
    3. Iran has many mountain ranges and thus is not flat. Zagros and Albroz mountain ranges cover the western and norther parts of Iran.
    4. Iran is the world's 18th largest country in terms of area. Roughly 1,648,000 square kilometers, which is the size of England, France, Spain and Germany combined.
    5. Iran has a four-season climate.
    6. Iran is one of the few countries in the world where you can see each of the four-seasons year round depending on which part of the country you are in.

    Urbanization
    1. Iran has many large cities (i.e. Tehran, Mashhad, Isfahan, Tabriz and Shiraz).
    2. Tehran, the capital of Iran with the largest population, has a population of 8 million residents, which is on par with New York City.
    3. There are decadent multi-million dollar penthouses in Tehran, just like in major cities across the globe.
    4. There are plenty of luxury malls throughout Iran's major cities. Iranians love to shop.
    5. You can find all types of luxury cars on the street of Tehran (from Mercedes Benz to Maserati).
    6. Iranians are very hospitable and friendly towards foreign tourists even from the USA.
    7. If you want a good communication with Iranians,You should learn Taarof(search in google for learning)
    Science
    1. Iran is among the world's top 20 leading scientific powers.
    2. Iran's scientific community within Iran and those in the diaspora are renowned in the field and have won several prestigious awards.

    3. To learn more search for the "scientific achievement of Iran".

    If you have any question about Iran or the Shia Islam I'll gladly answer to you.

    here is some pics from Iran:



    nights of Tehran



    "si o se"(thrity three in persian)bridge in Isfahan




    Saadi's Tomb in Shiraz









    Eram garden in Shiraz






    Kurdistan province



    The capital palace of Achaemenian Emperors in Perspolis

    Real Iran videos (thanks to Reza):
    http://www.aparat.com/v/olYrH
    http://www.aparat.com/v/G53Ya

    Iranian kingdoms since 3200BCE(song's name is"O fatherland,O permenant glory"):
    http://www.aparat.com/v/F0LIe

    This video is a very brief description of our 12 Imams.I ask everyone to watch it(it has English subtitle):
    http://www.aparat.com/v/YOgSV/


    Videos from concerts:
    (the song's name is"I love my life):
    http://www.aparat.com/v/KDxL6

    Iranian traditional music(song's name is "The soil of the fatherland"):
    http://www.aparat.com/v/HDtsx

    song's name is "Na,Naro(No,Don't go)":
    http://www.aparat.com/v/4o7nj

    Here is some video clips(it's not HD) made by tourists who visited Iran:
    http://www.aparat.com/v/vUeYg
    http://www.aparat.com/v/YTvEj

    these websites are in Farsi so just watch the video and ignore the rest.:)
    This post will be updated with more information and videos of Real Iran!
    I'll post more images from the people and historical Bases.
    Last edited by Fardin; September 23, 2016 at 05:50 PM.

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    In the other thread, before the mods deleted it, you had said something to the effect that it was a duty or responsibility for Iran to help muslims reclaim lands that had been taken by Western powers or Israel.

    Does that include al-Andalus, Sicily, the Balkan states, India etc., which were all part of the Dar al Islam at one point or another?

    You had also commented that in accord with Islamic law criminals are executed for murder, rape, homosexual activities. I found this curious as some of your co-religionists here seemingly argue that homosexuality is not forbidden by Islam and not punishable, e.g:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...slamists/page3
    Last edited by Infidel144; June 25, 2016 at 11:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    Does that include al-Andalus, Sicily, the Balkan states, India etc., which were all part of the Dar al Islam at one point or another?
    No,It does not include that areas that you said.Islam forbids conquering lands.You should only guide the people into your religion and defend against your enemies(enemies of country and religion)
    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    You had also commented that in accord with Islamic law criminals are executed for murder, rape, homosexual activities. I found this curious as some of your co-religionists here seemingly argue that homosexuality is not forbidden by Islam and not punishable
    May be It's not punishable in their country.But this is not a decisive law!mostly(about 99%) remains private.I have not seen or heard any one is sentenced to death for this reason.I have some gay friends and they are still alive.I think I must execute them myself,where is that damn sword?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fardin View Post
    No,It does not include that areas that you said.Islam forbids conquering lands.You should only guide the people into your religion and defend against your enemies(enemies of country and religion)
    What exactly are you basing this on? Mohammad himself led armies that conquered and forcibly converted lands
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    Quote Originally Posted by empr guy View Post
    What exactly are you basing this on? Mohammad himself led armies that conquered and forcibly converted lands
    he led Army to defend the religion.The infidels were provoking the muslims to turn against him.he had the power to attack the empires of Sassanids and Rome but he wrote letters to their kings to guide them to Islam.You can see the after his death his false successors begun conquering the middle east but the forth khalif Ali ibn Abutalib stopped conquering and begun to spreading the Islam in the right way.But the Arabs could not act that way so they became rebels to overthrow him from the power.
    Ali ibn Abutalib is our(shias) first Imam.He is the cousin of the prophet and at first he was his son in law and then became his groom.He was the rightful successor of the prophet.
    here you can find out more from our first Imam:https://www.al-islam.org/story-of-th...-ibn-abu-talibAnd please do not search in wikipedia for this cases because it's one sided a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by empr guy View Post
    What exactly are you basing this on? Mohammad himself led armies that conquered and forcibly converted lands
    No, he didn't.

    This is a common misconception. For a start, there is no forcible conversion in Islam. The Shahada (words you say to convert) do not hold any value and are invalidated unless the person saying them genuinely believes it. Secondly, Muhammad died in 632AD, before the Muslims expanded out of Arabia.

    Nobody is denying that the dramatic conquests of the Rashidun and Ummayad caliphs happened. Lands were indeed conquered in the period after 632. However, strictly speaking that is irrelevant, since the religion is defined by what is in the Quran and the hadith, not the political events that took place after Muhammad died. Whether the conquests themselves can be justified religiously is questionable; however by that point we are talking more about political history than religion (although sometimes it can be difficult to separate the two).

    Quote Originally Posted by Abdülmecid I View Post
    I am certain that the Iranian people appreciates immensely your generosity, for giving them some time to readjust their internal affairs to your preference, before Its Majesty, the American government, loses its patience and decides to teach these brown natives the advantages of democracy, by force. Statements like those make me wonder how can it be possible for the "warmongering Republicans" to be even more hawkish...
    This post is brilliant. Well said, Abdulmecid I! I admire the way you handle such outrageous hypocrisy from other posters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy1204 View Post
    No, he didn't.

    This is a common misconception. For a start, there is no forcible conversion in Islam. The Shahada (words you say to convert) do not hold any value and are invalidated unless the person saying them genuinely believes it. Secondly, Muhammad died in 632AD, before the Muslims expanded out of Arabia.

    Nobody is denying that the dramatic conquests of the Rashidun and Ummayad caliphs happened. Lands were indeed conquered in the period after 632. However, strictly speaking that is irrelevant, since the religion is defined by what is in the Quran and the hadith, not the political events that took place after Muhammad died. Whether the conquests themselves can be justified religiously is questionable; however by that point we are talking more about political history than religion (although sometimes it can be difficult to separate the two).
    Didn't Muhammad command his followers against the Quraysh, Bedouins, and some other tribes in the Arabian peninsula? I think that's what he meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fardin View Post
    No,It does not include that areas that you said.Islam forbids conquering lands.You should only guide the people into your religion and defend against your enemies(enemies of country and religion)
    Khaybar. Banu Mustaliq. Najran.
    May be It's not punishable in their country.But this is not a decisive law!mostly(about 99%) remains private.I have not seen or heard any one is sentenced to death for this reason.I have some gay friends and they are still alive.
    The point was not about 'secular' laws established in some muslim countries, but rather that you were asserting that homosexual activities are forbidden in Islam and death is the penalty, while some of your fellow muslims claim this not to be the case (see above linked thread).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    Khaybar. Banu Mustaliq. Najran.
    Kheybar was the center of rebellions against muslims and they were provoking muslims as I said before.
    Battle of Banu Mustaliq or Battle of Muraysi' occurred in Sha'ban of 5 or 6 AH (627-628). The prophet was informed that Harith b. Abi Dirar, the chief of Banu Mustaliq had gathered his tribe and some groups from Arab tribes and had prepared for fighting with Muslims. Then, after the Prophet (s) ratified the truth of the news, moved Muslims' army toward them.
    There was a debate between the prophet and the christians of Najran.The prophet won the debate and nothing more!
    here you can find some of your answers from Shia Islam:http://en.wikishia.net/

    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    The point was not about 'secular' laws established in some muslim countries, but rather that you were asserting that homosexual activities are forbidden in Islam and death is the penalty, while some of your fellow muslims claim this not to be the case (see above linked thread).
    I answered to you earlier in this matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by empr guy View Post
    Ok but Mohammad also sent an army to attack the Byzantines but it was beaten back, as one example, I've read that it was retribution for a messenger that was killed but there's no way to claim that it was in defense of anything.

    Ali was only caliph for 5 years and was fighting a civil war the entire time until he was assassinated. Your link doesn't work unfortunately so I'm not seeing anything to say he wouldn't have sent out conquering armies if he had actually been able to.
    http://en.wikishia.net/view/Battle_of_Tabuk
    here you can get your answers



    Quote Originally Posted by empr guy View Post
    Yeah it looks quite nice, unfortunately as an American it would be hazardous to travel there ...
    If Iranians find out that you are American they will show more respect to you.If You do not believe me just read the blogs of the American tourists who have visited Iran.
    Last edited by Gigantus; June 29, 2016 at 09:47 PM. Reason: censor bypass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fardin View Post
    Kheybar was the center of rebellions against muslims and they were provoking muslims as I said before.
    Odd that Ali had to ask the issue for fighting them, and Muhammad did not say that was the issue:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    "Suhail reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said on the Day of Khaibar: I shall certainly give this standard in the hand of one who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah will grant victory at his hand. Umar b. Khattab said: Never did I cherish for leadership but on that day. I came before him with the hope that I may be called for this, but Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali b. Abu Talib and he conferred (this honour) upon him and said: Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory, and 'Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah."Sahih Muslim


    Battle of Banu Mustaliq or Battle of Muraysi' occurred in Sha'ban of 5 or 6 AH (627-628). The prophet was informed that Harith b. Abi Dirar, the chief of Banu Mustaliq had gathered his tribe and some groups from Arab tribes and had prepared for fighting with Muslims. Then, after the Prophet (s) ratified the truth of the news, moved Muslims' army toward them.
    Attacked with out warning.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    "Narrated Ibn Aun:
    I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army."Sahih Bukhari

    There was a debate between the prophet and the christians of Najran.The prophet won the debate and nothing more!
    Khalid bin Walid was sent to offer the people of Najran a choice, conversion or war:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    The Messenger of God sent Khalid b. al-Walid in the month of Rabi' II, or Jumada I, in the year 10/631 to Banu al Harith b. Kab in Najran and ordered to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they should respond to him [with the acceptance of Islam], then he was to accept it from them, and to stay with them and teach them the Book of God, the sunnah of His prophet, and the requirements of Islam [ma'alim al-islam),if they should decline then he was to fight them.
    Khalid departed and came to them, sending out riders in every direction inviting them to Islam and saying, "O people, accept Islam, and you will be safe." So they embraced Islam and responded to his call. Khalid stayed with them, teaching them Islam, the Book of God, and the sunnah of His prophet. Then Khalid wrote to the Messenger of God: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, to Muhammad the Prophet, the Messenger of God, from Khalid b. al-Walid. Peace be upon you, O Messenger of God, and God's mercy and blessings." The Messenger of God wrote to him:570 "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, from Muhammad, the Prophet, the Messenger of God, to Khalid b. al-Walid. I praise God, the only God, unto you, the only God.
    Now then: O Messenger of God, God bless you. You sent me to the Banu al-Harith b Ka'b and ordered that when i came to them, I should not fight them for three days and that I should Invite them to Islam. [You also ordered that] if they accepted it, I should accept it from them and teach then the requirements of Islam. The Book of God and the Sunnah of His Prophet. If they did not accept Islam, I was to fight them. I came to them and invited them to Islam for three days as the Messenger of God commanded me, and I sent riders among them riders among them [announcing], 'O Banu al-Harith, embrace Islam, and you will be safe.' They have surrendered and did not fight, and I am staying in their midst ordering them [to do] what God has ordered, forbidding them from [doing] what God has forbidden, and teaching them the requirements of Islam and Sunnah of the Prophet, until the Messenger of God writes to me. Peace be upon you, O Messenger of God, and God's mercy and blessings.
    The Messenger of God wrote to him: "In the name of God the most compassionate the most merciful, from Muhammad, the Prophet, the Messenger of God, to Khalid b. al-Walid. Peace be upon you. I praise God, the only God, unto you. Now then: Your letter has reached me via a Messenger with news that the Banu al Harith [b. Ka'b] surrender before they fought and responded to your invitation of Islam and pronouncement (of the shahadah) that there is no God, except God alone, who has no associate and that Muhammad is His servant and His Messenger. God has guided them with His guidance, so give them good tidings and warn them and return, and let their deputation come with you. Peace be upon you, and God's mercy and His blessings." Then Khalid b. al-Walid came back to the Messenger of God and with him came the deputation of Banu al-Harith b. Ka'b. Qays b. al-Husayn b. Yazid b. Qanan Dhu al-Ghussah, Yazid b. 'Abd al-Madan,Yazid b. al-Muhajjal, 'Abdallah b. Qurayz , al- Ziyadi, Shadad b. Abdullah al-Qanani, and Amr b. Abdallah al-Dababi were among the delegation.
    When they came to the Messenger of God, he saw them and asked who those people were, because they looked like Indians. He was told that they were the Banu al-Harith b. Ka'b. When they stood before the Messenger of God, they greeted him and said, "We testify that you are the Messenger of God and that there is no god but Allah." He replied, "And I testify that there is no god but Allah, and that I am the Messenger of God". Then he said "You are the ones when driven away would push forward." They then became silent and none of them answered him. He repeated it three times and none of them replied.
    When he repeated it the fourth time Yazid b. 'Abd al-Madan replied, "Yes, O Messenger of God, we are the ones who, when driven away, pushed forward," and he repeated it four times. The Messenger of God said, "Had Khalid b. al-Walid not written to me that you had surrendered and had not fought, I would have thrown your heads underneath your feet."

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    As I recall, Iran insists on sex change operations, if you want to continue to screw around amongst members of your own sex; that's why there are technically no homosexuals in Iran.

    And apparently, dowries are paid in gold coins, which in cash poor Iran makes getting parental approval without it a significant roadblock.
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    Here is more Images from Iran.These pics have taken by an American photographer from the"humans of New york"blog











    Liv Tyler in Isfahan(just kidding)


    mother and daughter in shopping complex


















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    fardin what can you tell us about Iranian executions?

    Countries with the Most Confirmed Executions in 2015

    1. China (1,000s)
    2. Iran (977+)
    3. Pakistan (326)
    4. Saudi Arabia (158+)
    5. United States (28)
    6. Iraq (26+)

    however if we were measuring PUBLIC executions, i think that Iran comes in first place because the Chinese tend to execute privately
    Iran seems to be the leader in getting a kick out of public executions, turning them into a spectator sport







    if someone is having issues displaying these images because of the Iranian state controlling internet traffic, please turn on a proxy or virtual network or onion router

    if someone is having issues finding out more about Iran, please just use google or talk to Iranian expatriates who are living much better lives abroad



    Politics
    1. Iranians have not historically been the aggressors to the U.S./West.The US and European countries meddled in Iran's politics and governing system before 1979's revoloution(like overthrowing democratically elected Prime Minister "Muhammad Mosaddegh" and bringing back the dictator king who fled Iran in 1953 by a coup orginized by CIA and MI6)
    2. IRI government is now in the hand of a moderate President Hassan Rouhani who is trying to solve the nuclear issues between West and Iran.
    1. don't steal other countries' refineries if you don't want trouble

    2. the president is a figure-head, the real power in Iran lies with the Iranian clergy and Khameini, and the IRGC military apparatus


    Music
    1. There are concerts in Iran.
    2. Iranian music include: traditional, rap, pop, rock, etc.
    yeah, we know about the music scene in Iran, we get semi-frequent threads in the mudpit of the latest Iranian musician or rock band to be imprisoned for heresy or whatever. i hope they were not all killed or spending years in solitary confinement
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    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    if someone is having issues finding out more about Iran, please just use google or talk to Iranian expatriates who are living much better lives abroad
    Yes, their objectivity is guaranteed and their exiled new life provides them with a fresh new perspective, just like asking the French and Russian nobility for their opinion about Louis XVI and Nicholas II respectively.
    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    1. don't steal other countries' refineries if you don't want trouble
    The problem is the masses tend to disagree with your colonial views. Natural resources belong to the state and the people and it is up to them to determine how they will be exploited. Especially in cases where all the fruits are taken by foreign interests actively intervening in the country's internal affairs and an absolute monarch's rule. It is a pity that the US didn't realize that sooner, because that led to their most powerful ally in their region being overthrown and some of his arch-torturers losing their precious lives.
    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    2. the president is a figure-head, the real power in Iran lies with the Iranian clergy and Khameini, and the IRGC military apparatus
    Well, if the Supreme Leader is omnipotent, how can you explain the fact that the nuclear deal has been signed, despite his initial protests?
    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    yeah, we know about the music scene in Iran, we get semi-frequent threads in the mudpit of the latest Iranian musician or rock band to be imprisoned for heresy or whatever. i hope they were not all killed or spending years in solitary confinement
    Source about artists getting executed is definitely needed. As far as I know, the executions mainly concern drug dealers, murderers and Kurdish or Baluchi reactionary terrorists. Of course, there are still many unacceptable executions taking place that violate many of our moral principles, but the bad news for you is that the situation is gradually getting better and better, despite the re-emergence of the drug phenomenon, after the invasion of Afghanistan. That means that precious time is being lost for the people advocating for a civil war or an invasion in Iran, as several convenient pretexts are experiencing a steadily decreasing convincing value and that a liberal government might be peacefully elected, without the installation of a pro-American regime being necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuggans View Post
    fardin what can you tell us about Iranian executions?

    if someone is having issues displaying these images because of the Iranian state controlling internet traffic, please turn on a proxy or virtual network or onion router

    if someone is having issues finding out more about Iran, please just use google or talk to Iranian expatriates who are living much better lives abroad





    1. don't steal other countries' refineries if you don't want trouble

    2. the president is a figure-head, the real power in Iran lies with the Iranian clergy and Khameini, and the IRGC military apparatus




    yeah, we know about the music scene in Iran, we get semi-frequent threads in the mudpit of the latest Iranian musician or rock band to be imprisoned for heresy or whatever. i hope they were not all killed or spending years in solitary confinement


    what do you want hear?someone asked in earlier posts and I responded.It's not necessary to send this kind of disgusting pics.You ask and I answer.If you are OK I'll post some images from torture in military prisons of US but there is no need to ruin this good topic.We are talking about Iran and its people so please do not be so negative.If you look a t the pictures (Specially building and the area) carefully, They are for south eastern parts where the crime rates are high and drug dealers have the most density is there so this executions are necessary for keeping the country safe and healthy.

    we are in Iran and actually we know our country and we know who rules it.The IRGC disagreed the negotiations but as you can see the negotiations has been done and completed as you can see the IRGC does not rule the country.Mr. Khamenei had also many disagreements and cautions for any deal so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fardin View Post
    what do you want hear?someone asked in earlier posts and I responded.It's not necessary to send this kind of disgusting pics.You ask and I answer.If you are OK I'll post some images from torture in military prisons of US but there is no need to ruin this good topic.We are talking about Iran and its people so please do not be so negative.
    Anyways, i got a question, do you know why the Arabs of Khuzestan province did not support Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war? There needs to be something that withheld them supporting saddam as he was initially an Arab nationalist.

    Mashallah, Iranian women are so beautiful!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isabella d'Este View Post
    Anyways, i got a question, do you know why the Arabs of Khuzestan province did not support Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war? There needs to be something that withheld them supporting saddam as he was initially an Arab nationalist.

    Mashallah, Iranian women are so beautiful!!!!
    about your question:Iranians have very very deep respect and national bias for Iran that we call it Gheyrat(غیرت). Every one is proud of his country and culture so even the thinking of treason is very very rare.we have lived together for thousands of years so we are all from one body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fardin View Post
    Every one has the right to ask and as I said earlier I'll answer.

    about your question:Iranians have very very deep respect and national bias for Iran that we call it Gheyrat(غیرت). Every one is proud of his country and culture so even the thinking of treason is very very rare.we have lived together for thousands of years so we are all from one body.
    So it has more to do with ''Iranian nationalism'' (i'm using this in the context of all ethnicities falling under the term 'iranian') rather than ethnic nationalism (as like Arab nationailsm)?

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    butchered the post, delete
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    lol at people who couldn't allow any positive portrayal of Iran, I wonder if they would be as Energetic if the topic at hand was Saudi Arabia, pathetic.

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