I'm bored, how do I bring this thing to a conclusion?

[Greasy Dave]

So I must have wounded Archeon 3 or 4 times now.

I had a lot of fun during the start and the middle of the game but this end game grind is doing my head in. It makes the orc whackamole of the first 50 turns look like a pigeon shoot.

I'm playing the dwarves. I'm trying to fulfill the short campaign conditions. Do I need to kill ALL the Skaeling and VArg stacks as well as the Chaos? Or just the Chaos. Cos there's no end to any of them. I locate the chaos stacks and defeat them. But the game doesn't end (And yes, I have the other conditions fulfilled). Then Archeon pops up out of the fog - so I figure he must have been lurking somewhere and I chase him for a couple of turns as well as killing skaelings and vargs. He keeps running. But when I finally think I've got him cornered the 3 stacks of chaos, I'd killed a few turns before show up AGAIN. The same dudes I'd killed less than 8 turns ago?! And 8-10 turns before that,a nd 8-10 turns before that! They must have literally respawned, grabbed a full stack in a turn or two and then galloped south faster than a stunty can fart. Who in their crazy mind even began to think that this was fun? To make the end game even more frustrating, in the turns I've been playing hide and seek and tag with these pilchards, the grudge book has gone over the limit - it's been fine until now -plus the vc's who I'd left to one region went and razed 2 of the ally holds I need for the VC!

So now I've got to play team tag with Chaos, for the nth time, kill the VC's because they're annoying me, respawn 2 holds and keep the VArgs and Skaelings off my land! Do I need to just kill the Chaos stacks - and is there only 4 of them or are there some hidden off in the razed heath and fog hiding quaking in fear of me? OR do I have to march North and try and take down some hold there?

For me the fun ended after I killed the greenskins. Once they were dead, they stayed dead. This is just tedious. I'll probably just quit and if I play another campaign stop after I've destroyed the first chaos influx - this nth repetition is madness. Truly madness.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

You just need to kill the chaos stacks, Skaeling and Varg are there to annoy you

[Greasy Dave]

You just need to kill the chaos stacks, Skaeling and Varg are there to annoy you

THanks for that. Wish I'd known 30 turns ago.
I'm going to dump this campaign anyhow. Like someone said above, when you stop having fun its time to stop playing. I'm going to have to find a mod that makes them spawn less often. OR just not finish any campaign.

I always kind of liked Shoguns campaign condition - because even though you had realm divide and a ton of stacks to fight -you had a concrete goal to fight through them. I'm not really interested in the lore of this. I'm coming at it from a purely interesting game mechanic direction - and this game mechanic doesn't interest me. When they first show up - sure, they're scarey - they tore through the whole map. But the second time, to fight them once was pretty cool, to fight them a second time was...hmm, OK, a third time - meh, this fourth time - are you kidding me?

I've killed all the listed generals at one time or another - having to get them all at the same time when they seem to respawn every 5 -10 turns?! gah, life's too short for such rubbish. There's some good footy on the telly, I'll watch that instead.

[clench]

Did you capture/confederate with all the dwarf holds?

[Frost, colonel]

I have raised every settlement for both the Skaeling and Varg they are no more, but to their credit there was a lot of em!
Chaos keep spawning though, I presume the never ending threat? At the moment I just block their land routes off their little island in the Chaos wastes, then they try getting into ships, cross over straight into my 2 waiting stacks, they never get far, although there must be a cheat because I can never ambush them, they always spot my ambushes.

Simply put Greasy Dave, when a campaign stops been fun, when you've milked the fun out of it, it's time to move on.

[Dorkus_Malorkus]

Total War always suffer from this problem at the end of the campaign. The Orc campaign is a bit better because after you beat the dwarfs you need to invade the Empire. I have found this game the least tedious in the total war series, and I hope the move further from the "how to put down rebellions across an empire" to proper fighting wars.

[Archimonday]

I thought the gameplay in the very North was very interesting. Due to the constant attrition, fighting in Norsca was very difficult, and required me to think hard about my moves, so that the Varg or the Skaeling couldnt recolonize settlements I had jist razed. I also had to figure out if an army could survive the turn if I moved it without encamping for a short period. All in all Norsca took me about 70 turns to capture, as I fought my way across the frozen water, and crawled carefully around the frozen wasteland hunting their holds and armies. Some damn good battles I must say, 4 on 4 stacks was my biggest one. Plus, I had to do it all while fighting Sylvania and the Orks as well, i was stretched thin.

I think Norsca would make a great mini-campaign like Charlemagne, as long as they kept the same mechanics.

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[geala]

In my last 300+ turns campaign I had two Chaos invasions, the little one first at turn 50 and then at about turn 100 the big one with Archaon. They hit me hard, I lost some battles, but could finally defeate all. He came again two times I think but then sometimes the message showed up "Chaos destroyed" and my allies did more for it than me in the end. I was busy reducing the pesky Norse and had 3 of my 5 armies in the terrible frozen lands suffering heavily. Lucky to have allies at this stage because it is so difficult to have many armies and deal with several threats.

[Migi84]

I'm not sure how, but in my recent Orc campaign (won it yesterday) I invaded the empire with 4 stacks and their wargs. At one point all the Chaos stacks were near me and attacked. It was 4 stacks against 4 stacks. The battle was grueling, but in the end I won and.... to my surprise it said: Faction destroyed: Chaos warriors.

Guess I got lucky, but I wiped out the entire thread of chaos in one huge battle. Felt insanely epic tbh

[Frost, colonel]

but in the end I won and.... to my surprise it said: Faction destroyed: Chaos warriors.
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I have seen that message at least a half dozen times, they just re-appear 2-3 turns later with 2 more stacks.

[Chlodwig I.]

I have seen that message at least a half dozen times, they just re-appear 2-3 turns later with 2 more stacks.

I was that message too in my campaign,but sadly before I even started to fight against them, they alredy have been killed by vampires and Empire... but they never returnedandchaos corruption ended. Now I colonized the last three dwarven settlement and need to wait till my hero reached Level 15 to win the game.... maybe I destroy the nordics or Vampire to make the waiting more funny....

[gary0044187]

You need Archaon, Sigvald, the dragon ogre, any chaos sorcerers they have spawned and the lame lord of change dead at the same time. My suggestion is to spread out your heroes to provide a net to see where they all are. I got the "chaos killed" message after I assassinated archaon (third death for him, twice in battle, third was assassination). Just need to do it while all the other lords are down.

[Frost, colonel]

You need Archaon, Sigvald, the dragon ogre, any chaos sorcerers they have spawned and the lame lord of change dead at the same time. My suggestion is to spread out your heroes to provide a net to see where they all are. I got the "chaos killed" message after I assassinated archaon (third death for him, twice in battle, third was assassination). Just need to do it while all the other lords are down.

Thanks for the heads up gary.

[Greasy Dave]

You need Archaon, Sigvald, the dragon ogre, any chaos sorcerers they have spawned and the lame lord of change dead at the same time. My suggestion is to spread out your heroes to provide a net to see where they all are. I got the "chaos killed" message after I assassinated archaon (third death for him, twice in battle, third was assassination). Just need to do it while all the other lords are down.

And that there is the problem. I'm counting 4 or 5 stacks of them. I only have 5 stacks myself and only 2 agents high enough to sabotage them successfully. So It takes me a number of turns to pin down and finish 2 or 3 stacks, and then another bunch of turns to get archaon still and kill him - BUT in that time, the dead guys have popped back up. So - I get them sabotaged and bring up my armies and destroy them....and yes, guess who's back for another round...And I'm supposed to do it all over again. goodbye dwarf campaign, you were fun while the greenskins lasted.

[M2TWRocks]

Chaos has become the bane of my existence. I know some people want the illusion of an "end game." But the chaos invasion is just a retardation of the mechanics and soul of the total war gameplay. You have all these established rules on how the game works. It's generally a sandbox style game with freedom to move about, grow as you see fit, conquer as you see fit, and engage in diplomacy as you see fit.

At least until the Chaos invasion. Then all the rules of how the game works are thrown out of the window. You can't attack their economy. You can't engage in diplomacy. You can't out-maneuver them by taking potential land away from them. And judging by my seven failed attempts at ambushing them, it appears impossible to ambush them. (I always positioned my armies with at least a 70% ambush chance.) Your only option is to chase them all over the map, sometimes back and forth through your own lands. It's ridiculous, not "difficult" for the right reasons, and really takes you out of the role-play element. You truly feel like you are attempting to overcome a very obvious game mechanic, rather than defeat an actual foe. So irritating.

I wish someone could remove them from the game altogether without messing up the objectives.

[zhiphius]

Chaos has become the bane of my existence. I know some people want the illusion of an "end game." But the chaos invasion is just a retardation of the mechanics and soul of the total war gameplay. You have all these established rules on how the game works. It's generally a sandbox style game with freedom to move about, grow as you see fit, conquer as you see fit, and engage in diplomacy as you see fit.

At least until the Chaos invasion. Then all the rules of how the game works are thrown out of the window. You can't attack their economy. You can't engage in diplomacy. You can't out-maneuver them by taking potential land away from them. And judging by my seven failed attempts at ambushing them, it appears impossible to ambush them. (I always positioned my armies with at least a 70% ambush chance.) Your only option is to chase them all over the map, sometimes back and forth through your own lands. It's ridiculous, not "difficult" for the right reasons, and really takes you out of the role-play element. You truly feel like you are attempting to overcome a very obvious game mechanic, rather than defeat an actual foe. So irritating.

I wish someone could remove them from the game altogether without messing up the objectives.

Do you even know the warhammer lore? In fact Kislev lays in ruins and the chaos "faction" is attacking frequently, only held at bay temporarily thanks to a great magic wall and the efforts of volunteer army as the numerous factions continue to fight each other instead of taking the chaos threat seriously.

Chaos is supposed to be "the end of all" as lorewise they did cause the destruction of the world. So yea, they should be painful to fight.

That said, game mechanics can be fixed. i got a mod disabling march stance altogether which fixes that issue, and you can use a mod to make the chaos invasions happen later, be weaker or not happen at all.
I find the greenskins to be far more annoying and painful than chaos. They waaagh! all the friggin time >.<

[M2TWRocks]

Do you even know the warhammer lore? In fact Kislev lays in ruins and the chaos "faction" is attacking frequently, only held at bay temporarily thanks to a great magic wall and the efforts of volunteer army as the numerous factions continue to fight each other instead of taking the chaos threat seriously.

Chaos is supposed to be "the end of all" as lorewise they did cause the destruction of the world. So yea, they should be painful to fight.

That said, game mechanics can be fixed. i got a mod disabling march stance altogether which fixes that issue, and you can use a mod to make the chaos invasions happen later, be weaker or not happen at all.
I find the greenskins to be far more annoying and painful than chaos. They waaagh! all the friggin time >.<

You're misinterpreting my argument. There is a difference between execution and interpretation. My problem is how the Chaos horde mechanics are implemented. They're not "hard" because they are some badass, end of the world, behemoth. They are irritating. Like you can easily spend more time trying to chase down an army into a corner, than worrying "is this the end of the world?" I know for a fact, they have no chance to defeat me. And they have no chance because they seem to have no specific purpose once they invade. If they consolidated and systematically attacked each settlement, one by one, I'd have a tough fight on my hands. But they don't do that. They don't really do anything really, other than force me to waste hours and hours clicking "end turn" hoping I can finally catch up to the armies spread out all over.

[gary0044187]

Chaos has become the bane of my existence. I know some people want the illusion of an "end game." But the chaos invasion is just a retardation of the mechanics and soul of the total war gameplay. You have all these established rules on how the game works. It's generally a sandbox style game with freedom to move about, grow as you see fit, conquer as you see fit, and engage in diplomacy as you see fit.

At least until the Chaos invasion. Then all the rules of how the game works are thrown out of the window. You can't attack their economy. You can't engage in diplomacy. You can't out-maneuver them by taking potential land away from them. And judging by my seven failed attempts at ambushing them, it appears impossible to ambush them. (I always positioned my armies with at least a 70% ambush chance.) Your only option is to chase them all over the map, sometimes back and forth through your own lands. It's ridiculous, not "difficult" for the right reasons, and really takes you out of the role-play element. You truly feel like you are attempting to overcome a very obvious game mechanic, rather than defeat an actual foe. So irritating.

I wish someone could remove them from the game altogether without messing up the objectives.

Chaos' horde mechanic reminds me of dealing with the mongols in m2. You simply need to corner them. Hell, in many cases, I have forced them to come to me. Drive them into lands where every settlement has walls, use heroes to kill their movement (best ability ever, except for maybe the dwarven engineers' arty buffs), etc. Get mean and fight dirty.

[Magni]

Chaos has become the bane of my existence. I know some people want the illusion of an "end game." But the chaos invasion is just a retardation of the mechanics and soul of the total war gameplay. You have all these established rules on how the game works. It's generally a sandbox style game with freedom to move about, grow as you see fit, conquer as you see fit, and engage in diplomacy as you see fit.

At least until the Chaos invasion. Then all the rules of how the game works are thrown out of the window. You can't attack their economy. You can't engage in diplomacy. You can't out-maneuver them by taking potential land away from them. And judging by my seven failed attempts at ambushing them, it appears impossible to ambush them. (I always positioned my armies with at least a 70% ambush chance.) Your only option is to chase them all over the map, sometimes back and forth through your own lands. It's ridiculous, not "difficult" for the right reasons, and really takes you out of the role-play element. You truly feel like you are attempting to overcome a very obvious game mechanic, rather than defeat an actual foe. So irritating.

I wish someone could remove them from the game altogether without messing up the objectives.

Ambush stance doesn't just mean you potentially get an ambush battle. It also means that unless they flat-out disover your army (which will give you a text message and put the army out of ambush stance), they will ignore it for their normal movement - which means that putting an mabush in their general direction of travel will cause them to wander within regular movement range of that army, so you can just switch back to normal movement in your turn and attack them. Combine with garrison buildings and using agents to hinder movement and it's not really an issue.

What it actually feels like is... a strategic-level defense against a raiding, nomadic horde.

[M2TWRocks]

Ambush stance doesn't just mean you potentially get an ambush battle. It also means that unless they flat-out disover your army (which will give you a text message and put the army out of ambush stance), they will ignore it for their normal movement - which means that putting an mabush in their general direction of travel will cause them to wander within regular movement range of that army, so you can just switch back to normal movement in your turn and attack them. Combine with garrison buildings and using agents to hinder movement and it's not really an issue.

What it actually feels like is... a strategic-level defense against a raiding, nomadic horde.

I got the message every time I set up an ambush against Chaos. My point was that it appeared they had some hidden mechanism that made it impossible for the player to successfully ambush Chaos. I have not had the same problem ambushing anyone else. Generally I set them up in ideal situations. i.e. In the middle of a river crossing or in a valley between impassable mountains.