Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[Yuri Zhivago]

I made a post about this at the official forums earlier, and thought I'd bring it up here:

would it be possible to create a mod which simulates the inquisition and at the same time edits the way inquisitors work?

On the world map the Inquisition, if it was possible, would work best in two ways, if Inquistors hunted down generals with low piety and family members with negative piety traits, as well as characters with negative traits, occassionally picking off the innocent ones to inspire that degree of fear, but edited to be more discerning as to the traits a character has: ie: a pagan magician, or a trait donating drunkeness etc.

The other addition could be similar to the "disasters" we already see, such as earthquakes at Aleppo. The Inquisition could strike a town with a high rate of heresy or paganism, and the popup window could state that x number of citizens/soldiers/governor have been effected/killed by the Inquisition, the effect would be to hurt your towns and cities, but also in the process, if possible, decrease the percentage of heresy present in said settlement. Would such a thing be possible and moddable? And would it be an addition if so, that might make it to a Total Realism mod?

[vikrant]

moved to gathring

[Endrjus]

I dont really think the Inquisition killed so many people in reallity that there would be a need of such mod. I've heard that only 1% of people found quilty by Inquisition was killed.

[CelticPagan]

I dont really think the Inquisition killed so many people in reallity that there would be a need of such mod. I've heard that only 1% of people found quilty by Inquisition was killed.

Depends on the source material and period you are talking about. Various contemporary historians wrote of some great atrocities associated with the Inquisition, such as an entire village in what is now the Netherlands, comprising of over 10,000 people put to the stake because of fears of heresy, witchcraft and werewolfism (all three were separate charges). Yet other Inquisitors were far more lenient, and did indeed have a less bloody history. It is also important to remember that the Inquisition didn't officially end until the 1880's so for much of its time there weren't burnings, hangings or stakings. However at the hight of its hysteria, many people did die throughout Europe on nothing more than hearsay and false testimony, as well as coerced confessions. Torture came into its own at this point like no other throughout history, and nothing was considered too profane or too horrible to use on suspects.

One other fact of note, had it not been for the Inquisition and the fear it spread, the deaths from the Black Plague would have been much fewer. Cats were associated with witches and killed by the millions all over Europe. When the rats that carried the plague-ridden fleas arrived in Europe, with so few natural enemies (the cats) to prevent the overpopulation of the rats, and thus the fleas, the plague spread near and far, wiping out 1/3 of the population in the process. So even if a small percentage of people were, over the length of the Inquisition, killed as a direct result of it, it still resulted in the deaths of millions.

CelticPagan

[Yuri Zhivago]

We also have to remember that the Inquisition was stronger in some places than others, take for example, in Spain and the Cathars in Southern France who were put to the sword.

Killing off a few characters on the campaign map is all well and good, but not awe or fear-inspiring. If the Inquisition turns up in your lands, you should be clamouring to eradicate any trace of heresy lest they do it for you.

Also, consider the power of the Inquisition, or at least the Church. The King of France and the Pope managed to have almost the entire Templar order eradicated in France within a few years through coerced confessions and such like. So they weren't just rogues wandering across Europe occassionally throwing the book at the odd princess and priest with low piety

[Delexit]

Cats were associated with witches and killed by the millions all over Europe. When the rats that carried the plague-ridden fleas arrived in Europe, with so few natural enemies (the cats) to prevent the overpopulation of the rats, and thus the fleas, the plague spread near and far, wiping out 1/3 of the population in the process. So even if a small percentage of people were, over the length of the Inquisition, killed as a direct result of it, it still resulted in the deaths of millions.

this is sooooo true ... hm , sad that a religion based on love, helping the weak, self-sacrifice brought up such a terrible and evil “ mass murder “ . because we can call it that way.
And the absence of cats as predators through their systematic religious extermination, allowed rats to develop (?) and spread the plague.... hm .

This added to torture and executions is a shameful historical baggage that the present church has to bare and now & then apologies for.

Yes , the presence of such an in game event would give some interesting “flavor“ ...
But then the player should be able to eventually fight back through braking himself from ’the mother church” and develop Protestantism , Anglicanism etc.

good ideea Yury !

[gladiator551]

something else you could include is when the Templars were accused of heresy and nearly wiped out completely.

As in any faction's city with a templar guild would be getting a whole lot of attention.

[rebel5555]

Many believedthe only reason the Knights Templar were put through the Inquisition was that the Pope and the French realized that the Templars controlled alot of land and money and and that the French and the Pope wanted the mney and lands for themselves. Sorry for gripping I just thought I let everyone know because all of my fathers side of the family are members of the scottish rite & the freemasons and soon I will be too.

[Yuri Zhivago]

It's a well known story, don't worry. Jacques de Molay et Les Rois Maudits, etc etc.

It would be difficult to simulate though, unless say, around 1300 all French settlements with Templar guild houses were hit by the "Inquisition" or something similar. Not sure. Difficult to say.

[bibbledy]

The Inquisition hardly ever went after Christian nobles, especially not the families of royalty. The first great inquisition was against the Cathars, who mostly preached to the poor, and therefore against the poor. The Spanish inquisition targeted ex-Jews and ex-Muslims (conversos) in Spain and the New World. A couple nobles copped it, true, but not enough to let inquisitors try nobles.. I think more nobles died defending Aragon and Toulouse against the Albigensian crusade than in the actual Albigensian inquisition.

IIRC there was a pope who pulled out a knife and disemboweled an 8-year-old for speaking improperly to him. Another one sold plots of land in heaven. The Catholic church itself was ridiculously impious. Because of that, and the fact that the Spanish inquisition targeted prominent ex-heathens, Inquisitors should target merchants, unorthodox priests, bribed characters from Muslim/Orthodox countries, and almost never, if ever, go after the "beautiful people."

Inquisitors should also decrease population but increase public order if they stay somewhere for a while.. doubt that's codable.

On the world map the Inquisition, if it was possible, would work best in two ways, if Inquistors hunted down generals with low piety and family members with negative piety traits, as well as characters with negative traits, occassionally picking off the innocent ones to inspire that degree of fear, but edited to be more discerning as to the traits a character has: ie: a pagan magician, or a trait donating drunkeness etc.

This already exists, pretty much.