Quickly Confederating as the Empire?

[illathid]

I'm trying to do a more "Lore Friendly" game as the Empire and I was wondering if anyone had any tips on confederating the rest of the Empire in a relatively short amount of time. One thing I've found is to only get non-agression pacts, not alliances with other imperial factions as it'll keep you from getting dragged into wars you'd rather not be. Anything else?

[Stangler]

I was able to confederate a lot in my campaign and one of the keys seems to be the power of the nation you are trying to confederate with. So if they lose a major battle they are probably going to be far more willing to confederate with you suddenly. Obviously you also want to have a good relationship with them. Confederating makes other nations unhappy with you for a little bit and I think it makes it impossible to confederate again for a couple of turns. So before you confederate try and get as many treaties as possible. You don't need to get Alliances (defensive or military). These tend to just cause you problems.

I would also suggest being active with diplomacy early on before you get too powerful. The earlier you get Non Aggression, trade, and military access agreements the better.

You can also ask them to declare war against orcs or vamps which can give you opportunities to gain favor.

Once chaos comes confederation becomes much easier because you are fighting a common enemy and they are likely to have gotten a beat down.

[ostendadler]

How does it affect public order? I'm gonna try the empire next and I'm quite curious to see its effects.

[Eugee]

I took over most of the Empire Provinces through confederacy. When I first start out, I'll go for non-aggression/trade with every single empire province as quickly as possible. Sometimes I'll even toss in a 300g sweetener when they are close to consenting. I'll keep escalating through access, defensive, and military alliances as quickly as they'll talk to me. If someone's settlement gets razed, then I swoop in and claim it, conflict free. Eventually they'll start asking me to help them fight their enemies--and I run off to do that, especially taking out the Vampire Counts, as that's on my To-Win List. Pretty soon one of them will Confederate--at that point you wait 4-5 turns (for that to stop ticking them off) and another will join in. Eventually they all join up.

Unless one cancels their non-aggression with me--then I straight up conquer their ass. Otherwise, make friends with the neighbors, and have their backs in a fight. Won't take them long to see who the real Emporer is and sign up.

Just remember to disband their invariably armies, and post their lords into one of your offices. Load him up with +Public Order traits and send him out to babysit troublesome provinces.
Fill all the minor settlements with Tailors, Trade Goods, Defense, Farms/Taverns. In the capital it's the same drill, but save room for a Temple of Sigmar, to get you another MVP of the Empire--the Witch Hunter, aka STOP ING MARCHING.

Seriously, you need one Witch Hunter per army--stop playing Benny Hill with the enemy.

[ostendadler]

I started an Empire campaign and things got a little bit out of control ... well really out of control!

Marienburg declared war on me (despite me paying them to become friends) followed by Lyonesse and Bretonnia. The mountain Orcs sacked and ruined 2 of Reikland cities while I was fighting Marienburg.

Finally half of the elector counts decided to fight the other half so I'm pretty much in a dire situation since I cannot help either side in their war since my hands are tied.

It has been a very long time in Total war history that I have been in such perilous situation.

The only good thing is that I've pushed development of Reikland to level 5 3 3 and 2. I'm not out of the woods any time soon am I?


I have given a fair amount of time into my GS campaign and it is a truly different play style.

[Eugee]

Sounds rough. I was playing remotely from work today (which mostly means I have to auto-resolve everything as it's too stuttery to control troops), and I did my normal start, taking the whole province by turn 4. I then start massing on the border of Marienburg (since they won't agree to non-aggression) and everyone else is now non-aggression or better. The moment I siege Marienburg, two of my defensive allies declare war on each other--Talabecland and Stirland... so now I have to break one treaty or the other, and I'm screwed. I side with Stirland as they are stronger, but I already know something terrible is coming.

As I take Marienburg I see Talabechland moving up to Grunburg. Ugh. Nordland swoops down and takes the other half of Marienburg's province, so I didn't even get a whole province out of it! Grunburg gets smashed and I'm running back over. They move on to the H-one and claim it, just as I get in striking distance. Because I have to auto-resolve I actually bounce off the first assault, and they hit Eilhart. End result is I spend like 8 turns getting rid of them before it all settled down, and ended up losing my non-aggression with a bunch of the Empire Provinces because I was Untrustworthy for awhile, since I broke the Defensive Alliance treaty. Ugh.

Moral of the story--don't do Defensive Alliances until you are ready to get drug into a war--or at the very least don't get into a defensive alliance with someone who has pissed off half the Empire!

[Archimonday]

The AI diplomacy value has to be just under 100 to confederate.

Non-aggression pacts, and joining allies in wars wherever possible is necessary. For all others who dont want treaties, there is only one thing. Conquest

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[geala]

I used confederation in my first trial "normal" Empire campaign and was disappointed. Confederation means just getting the regions as your own, I had a drop in public order and desparately needed money.

In my current Empire vh campaign I also had a rough start, Marienburg, Nordland and Middenland immediately declared war on me and took from me two of the four Reikland regions. It needed a bit of time and a lucky peace treaty to solve this problem. I decided not to confederate at all, but be satisfied with Reikland and Marienburg and use miltary treaties with the rest of the Empire factions, the western factions and the dwarfs. Such treaties are easily to get after Chaos and the pesky Norsca invade. Once I had to kill Bretonnia in a Blitzkrieg, after they attacked me for no reasons. With all the other human and dwarf factions I was in good relations.

I never declared war on anyone (except Marienburg which is rightly mine and ... wealthy) and only fought the Norse and Chaos, I was pulled then into a conflict with Blackhaven and later the Vampire Counts when they attacked a weak ally of mine. Now the counts are gone and Blackhaven is east of Kislev and I have to deal with the mighty Greenskins. In the end I got the most of the Empire provinces without war or confederation. I expanded by just colonizing wasted Empire regions.

The most annoying "feature" of military treaties is that factions constantly ask you to join in unimportant wars far away (from the faction which asks). Makes turn ends a tedious clickfest.