Sieging as Chaos impossible?

[FaceDancer]

Im playing Chaos on hard difficulty level. My campaign went quite well until I decided to siege a large Kislev city. It was only garrison out there and I thought it will be a good idea to get it from march because I got hellfire cannon. I thought it will be enough to crush walls from range but then towers just started to fire at me and instantly killed my cannon. I tried another attempt and I hide all my units far away and set cannon in place that it could barely hit enemy wall. Enemy towers still reach my cannon and destroyed it in 30 seconds. To make it worse one hit from hellfire damaged only 4% of a single tower so I needed to hit it 25 times to destroy one tower! Am I missing something at siege battle? I played custom siege battles and towers wasnt so deadly.

[KAM 2150]

CA just raped siege battles from any logic. You should try to search for tower nerf mods.

[emcdunna]

The towers are crazy. The only way sieges are even possible is with a mod or dodgy tactics where you force towers to shoot at a throwaway unit while you try to kill it

[Imperator Artorius]

CA heard how much people loved the towers in vanilla Attila and thought "Lets make them even more powerful. The fans can't get enough of the towers!"

[Lucius Tiberius Vorenus]

CA heard how much people loved the towers in vanilla Attila and thought "Lets make them even more powerful. The fans can't get enough of the towers!"

+1

[Imperator Artorius]

+1

Without wanting to be too much of a conspiracy theorist, the advantage of towers that often get more kills than the actual defending garrison is that the AI isnt required to use its units properly. It can just do whatever whilst your units get MG42'd to death.

[craziii]

siege as chaos = bum rush the walls and use magic ladders. it is actually how you play as any faction, taht is what I think.

you are chaos, super heavy melee. get in their face and reck it.

[SinerAthin]

I've found the best strategy is to mass siege towers and spam soldiers with great weapons.

It's worked great for me!

[emcdunna]

At least the made it so that the towers can't shoot into the settlement, and also don't explode when they get captured... that was just plain silly! (yes, my roman soldiers threw some TNT into the tower and blew it up, without getting out of the way, leaving dozens of them dead....)

Just use a tower nerf mod, theres several already. Simple as that.

But yeah, siege tower's slow movement speed completely defeats their usage. Just rush the walls and use ladders, hide the rest of your men out of the tower's fire arcs.

[seppuku2891]

Siege battles are easily the worst part of the game. I lucked out kinda with the vamps because I bum rush and I don't need to worry about units outside so much. But I really hope they do some work on the siege battles in future updates.

[emcdunna]

Just get the tower nerf mod, fixes everything bad about sieges. It's on the steam workshop.

I'm sure CA will at least lower damage and rate of fire for the towers, it's silly the way it is now.

[Fallen851]

Just get the tower nerf mod, fixes everything bad about sieges. It's on the steam workshop.

I'm sure CA will at least lower damage and rate of fire for the towers, it's silly the way it is now.

You keep saying mods fix everything. But the thing about mods is that you can't use them for multiplayer (unless both have the same mod).

Most of the fun for me is playing against other humans. CA just needs to fix it.

[FaceDancer]

siege as chaos = bum rush the walls and use magic ladders

Hmm. Maybe I'm missing something, but when I siege enemy city I can only build battering rams and siege towers, I didn't see any ladders. I dont think you can use ladders in cities with higher tier walls.

[KAM 2150]

You can't build them. Every unit has magical ladders now. Yes, this is how CA did it, they just walk to the walls and spawn magical ladders on touch.

[hospitaller13]

What CA finally makes the towers actually do something, as they should. They finally add some challenge to seige battles and you complain about it, really?
We no longer have mud walls made from cheese and stupid wooden "towers"

Get over it, want to win all the time go play baby games on the nintendo.

However i do agree that the towers probably do compensate for the ai's ability to defend the walls.

[FaceDancer]

They finally add some challenge to seige battles and you complain about it, really?

If by challenge you meant dumbing down sieges, you are right. Now you only rush for walls, while you can't even use siege weapons to destroy walls.

We no longer have mud walls made from cheese and stupid wooden "towers"

Yepp, I got hellfire cannons, which should be very powerful in bringing walls and towers done, but no you think its highly accurate that those devices are doing practically no damage at all.

Get over it, want to win all the time go play baby games on the nintendo.

Another hater who can't stand opinions of others. This game is actually so "hard" that I never lost a battle yet.

[GeneralPunfusion]

If by challenge you meant dumbing down sieges, you are right. Now you only rush for walls, while you can't even use siege weapons to destroy walls.

Yes you can - you just have to invest heavily in artillery and have a couple screening units or siege towers out front to take the hits. Four units of artillery will take down a tower or wall section in fairly short order, and if you have two or three siege towers or cheap archers pushing up a little to one side then the towers will focus fire on them instead.

Yepp, I got hellfire cannons, which should be very powerful in bringing walls and towers done, but no you think its highly accurate that those devices are doing practically no damage at all.

Honestly? That's one of the changes I like about this game. Walls and towers are actually important and painful to attack, as they should be. If you want to bombard a city down, bring four or five pieces of artillery and you'll see them crumble pretty quickly.

[Keyser]

Siege in totalwar are actually wall assaults (and always have been)...
So i don't see how it's "dumbing down" to actually rush the wall rather than magically destroy fortifications in just a couple of shots...

Attila abstracted the siege work with the escalation mecanism wich was quite a nice feature, but many people didn't like it either...

I am not saying that CA did it right this time, there are always things to complain about, but i also feel people will never be happy and i also feel that what they expect to be "not dumbed down" or "realistic" isn't necessarilly this way to others.

[clench]

Um... Chaos warriors and chosen have insane armor and great weapons.

Take the walls and the towers stop shooting.

[Stangler]

The changes to siege battles is one of my favorite changes in TWW. The emphasis on taking the walls and the addition of flying units really make sieges fun again.