Should Women be relegated to the three K's?

[VALIS]

Kinder, Küche, Kirche or in english children,kitchen,church?

should women be encouraged and persuaded to pursue this option in their lives,for the good of there country and community to help raise the next generation to a good standard?
to mother better?
in this day and age i would say yes, especially if they became mothers.
reports are showing divorce and seperation is growing,http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4200410.stm
reports also showed women are starting to drink as heavily as men!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/319081.stm

as women grow wilder and wilder, children are being neglected and as a result are becoming less ruly,youth crime is quite(if not very) high,if these thuggish youths had good parental upbringing and mothers then perhaps youth crime would be lower and society as a result would benefit.

instead of obese kids waddling around getting in the way and slowly killing themselves with junk food,the mothers could cook them healthy food and to make the children more healthy and fitter, once again seeing benefits to the country.

church can also bring together a better community spirit and bind people together,althrough i guess this option is not as important as the other two.

so should this working women thing be put to rest,this new labour rush to force women out of the homes and into work, thus alienating a new generation of youth,who have no mothers to care for them?!

should women be encouraged to follow the three k's?




Note:country i am talking about is britain,but could apply to many countries in the west.
Note2:credit to ozymandias (?) for giving be inspiration for creating this thread.

[Tom Paine]

Why thanks... I think?

Anyway. As I said elsewhere I think women should be encouraged to act as mothers; then again I think men should be encouraged to act as fathers! Certainly there is a need for good and healthy food as provided by home cooking (as someone who can and does cook for my family, albeit as a son not a mother, I can vouch for this) and thus encouragement should be provided there too. However in terms of the church I think there are better and less divisive sources of community; neighbourhood meetings or whatever. A community is also important and becoming less extant in some places as we enter the 21st century, and I think this is a loss to us all. Anyway... yes, there we are.

[VALIS]

You said something about the three k's in the 'was hitler cool' thread.

Anyway i agree with what you say,fathers should also act like fathers this idea isnt just exclusive to women,but it is traditional for men to go out and work,yet men should still devote time to their children ,of course in a different sort of way.

I live on a main road that traverses all the way down to the waterfront where the nightclubs are....and every friday and saturday night the amount of women (men as well) who stagger, back falling over and being sick on themselves is greatley disturbing and worrying.I fear what type of mothers/parents they would make.

[mrme]

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But I do have to ask you a question, what if it was the mother that went out to work and the father that stayed home, took care of the house, the kids etc? Would you agree to that?

[Spiff]

Why women? It doesn't matter which parent to me, so long as someone does it, and the other parent has a good excuse for being less involved (i.e. career). Regarding The 'Church' thing, that isn't required by anyone as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, divorce is becoming more common, and women are drinking more.. you think they're related? I see no reason to reach that conclusion, there are far too many factors to consider.

[VALIS]

Why women? It doesn't matter which parent to me, so long as someone does it, and the other parent has a good excuse for being less involved (i.e. career). Regarding The 'Church' thing, that isn't required by anyone as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, divorce is becoming more common, and women are drinking more.. you think they're related? I see no reason to reach that conclusion, there are far too many factors to consider.

no i dont think there really related,i was just using them as examples of how children can be mistreated or not bothered about.
because a stable two person relationship is better than a single parent and having someone who drinks heavily is never a good idea whether a parent or not.

as for if the roles were reversed......well i suppose that would work as some women get paid more than men (that is rare though) and women have historically been batter caring for children than the fathers have,but there are exceptions,so if the mum went out to work and the dad stayed at home then that would be alright.

my main point is that in this day and age, parents are both going out to work and leaving the children to some impersonel day centre or some nanny,
which i dont believe is right or helful to the child in question.


like i said the church option is secondary but i still think important as it can build community but like people have said there are other ways to help build this sense of community that we are losing.

[Spiff]

my main point is that in this day and age, parents are both going out to work and leaving the children to some impersonel day centre or some nanny,
which i dont believe is right or helful to the child in question.

That's not really what you said in the first post - you were saying that women should stay in the kitchen and look after children as a duty regardless of anything else, which i doubt few would argue is a pretty sexist standpoint when both parents are equally capable of being responsible parents without following the 'three Ks' and nothing else.

[VALIS]

That's not really what you said in the first post - you were saying that women should stay in the kitchen and look after children as a duty regardless of anything else, which i doubt few would argue is a pretty sexist standpoint when both parents are equally capable of being responsible parents without following the 'three Ks' and nothing else.

well yes in an idealist world that is what i would prefer,but since that is not going to happen,then concessions would have to be made.

[Gwendylyn]

because a stable two person relationship is better than a single parent.

An unstable two person relationship is certainly worse than a single parent household. I'd rather have high divorce rates and fewer abusive and unhappy homes for children to grow up in.

as for if the roles were reversed......well i suppose that would work as some women get paid more than men (that is rare though) and women have historically been batter caring for children than the fathers have,but there are exceptions,so if the mum went out to work and the dad stayed at home then that would be alright

1. Women get paid less than men in almost every field (I've yet to see reliable statistics on them being paid higher except in the porn industry). Why this happens is another can of worms, whether it be misogynism or women less likely to take career risks.

2. Just because women have historically been the caretakers, does not mean they are necessarily the best suited for it. Studies have shown that there is no difference between the psychological health of a child raised in a heterosexual, homosexual, or single parent households, as long as those environments were authoritative and caring. If you care about the children, it would be better to stress good caring environments for children, rather than fallaciously saying "Children need a female homemaker who cooks and brings them to church" since none of those necessarily support good mental health.

[Mathias]

I agree with you except on that last K.

[Tom Paine]

Personally I'd agree to that fully. I'd agree if it was one daddy going out to work and another staying at home, too. Basically its a matter of making sure kids are brought up well as responsible members of society.

[Lusted]

Some of my friends would go to town on this thread, especially one who is quite an extreme feminist.

But anyway i do not think the problems you list are due to women. You also seem to think it is okay for men to go out and drink all night, have fights etc(which doesn't really seem to qualify you for good parenting) yet women should not?

It should not necessarily be the women who do the cooking, or raise the kids. Men can do both just as well(though of course the mother is very important as well).

What i think is needed is better education about what exactly is in most foods, as most people seem to have no idea. Also cookery should be taught in schools, for both boys and girls, and not that alme excuse at cookery that food tech is.

Children do not necessarily need a mother to raise them, or a father, but what they do need is an attatchment figure who gives them the love and attentin they need to develop. The more attatchment figures a child has, the better they can develop (hence why children of single parents can have more problems).

And there are other ways of improving community than the chruch, especially in the UK which is a secular and increasingly atheist/agnostic country. I live in the South East and i've met very few religious people in my life.

[Kdar]

Well. I don't know about Church..

But for me.. A good wife.. Is one that pretty, can cook well and will be a good mother.

[VALIS]

^^

good post,i agree.

[Lusted]

For me a good wife would be someone who is my equal, who is intelligent and knows what they are, and has their own opinions. I want to marry someone who is my equal, not someone who will do all the work as i find that quite sexist towards the woman.

[alman9898]

For me a good wife would be someone who is my equal, who is intelligent and knows what they are, and has their own opinions. I want to marry someone who is my equal, not someone who will do all the work as i find that quite sexist towards the woman.

Agree. Although I like making sexist jokes in a lighthearted way.

[VALIS]

gwendylyn.

the mothers are traditonally the carer figure and the father is traditionally the authoritative figure.

there are exceptions but what i have stated is generally the rule rather than the exception which is what you have suggested.

[MaximiIian]

the mothers are traditonally the carer figure and the father is traditionally the authoritative figure.

So? Traditionally, the world was flat. Traditionally, non-christians were killed without a second thought. Traditionally, black people were slaves.
Tradition isn't always right; in fact, it rarely ever is.

[VALIS]

So? Traditionally, the world was flat. Traditionally, non-christians were killed without a second thought. Traditionally, black people were slaves.
Tradition isn't always right; in fact, it rarely ever is.

those tradition were stupid.This ones make sense.


harm,

that could be taken for trolling and flaming,i would take back what you said and apologise to me or i will be forced to contact a moderator.

thank you.

[Gaidin]

those tradition were stupid.This ones make sense.


harm,

that could be taken for trolling and flaming,i would take back what you said and apologise to me or i will be forced to contact a moderator.

thank you.

Fact of the matter is, they were there, and they changed when people didn't like them(yes go on and on about the morally repugnant ones, but the fact remains that they didn't change until the people wanted them to). Or we could deny history. Just like you're denying the fact that family structure has changed many times in history, and guess what, we still seem to be here. The nuclear family denies a mother who doesn't want to be a traditional mother the right not to be. Remember, skin + cat > 1.