Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Cuman Khanate

**druzhina345** · July 02, 2016, 11:52 PM

**Mr.Jox** · July 03, 2016, 04:32 AM

Wonderful work!
What I love here the most is that units don't look like clones (ofc in case it's not a regular soldier).

**xeofox** · July 13, 2016, 08:31 PM

It looks very good, but my opinion: (Maybe stereotypically) Skirmishers, Nomadic Spearmen, Horse Skirmishers needs to change white dress to more gray . And change the shield structure to more simpler (or mixed) like: Horse Skirmishers (Cuman Khanate) and Peltastoi brown shields (Empire of Nicaea) or shields of Kontaratoi (Empire of Nicaea - not for all, few mixed).

**Donnodona** · July 14, 2016, 10:50 AM

Does any of these cavalry units carry sabre? I see a rider in one of Lucem's pictures carrying a sabre but don't see any of them but straight swords in the preview. It would be more fitting for riders to use the sabre as melee weapon and, to add more variety and give the Cumans the option for anti-infantry, design a decent light/medium sabre-carrying cavalry unit in the roster. There're many free resources around the web, especially M&B forum if I remember it correctly. Good luck and have a nice day.

**Ltd.** · July 14, 2016, 11:53 AM

They do carry sabres as well, but the cumans and before them the pechenegs also preferred the mace. They use less straight swords than curved ones and maces, iirc.

**+Marius+** · July 14, 2016, 03:05 PM

Japan never disappoints.

Originally Posted by Ltd.

They do carry sabres as well, but the cumans and before them the pechenegs also preferred the mace. They use less straight swords than curved ones and maces, iirc.

I still advise modellers not to make the curved blades too curved, that is the most common mistake made to medieval Easterners

Their swords at this time were still(usually) just slightly curved, these are Cuman/Kipchak blades from the Tsemdolinskogo excavation;

Barely 5-6* of curvature.

**Alejandro Sanchez** · July 15, 2016, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by LinusLinothorax

Nomads always had fanciful armours.

As far I understand it's remade arm. Thus it's not nomadic arm, but may contain nomadic items.

Originally Posted by +Marius+

I still advise modellers not to make the curved blades too curved, that is the most common mistake made to medieval Easterners
Their swords at this time were still(usually) just slightly curved, these are Cuman/Kipchak blades from the Tsemdolinskogo excavation;

Barely 5-6* of curvature.

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**Donnodona** · July 14, 2016, 08:47 PM

Good findings, Marius. I would like to see the khan and his troops carrying maces and those sabres instead of Celtic straight swords, which is misplaced and outdated for far too long.

**Ltd.** · July 15, 2016, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Donnodona

Good findings, Marius. I would like to see the khan and his troops carrying maces and those sabres instead of Celtic straight swords, which is misplaced and outdated for far too long.

They already carry maces and swords similar to what Marius has posted. I'm not sure where the celtic straight sword idea comes from .

**Slytacular** · July 15, 2016, 11:28 AM

Probably confusing the celtic blades with imported Frankish swords?

**Visarion** · October 28, 2016, 12:28 PM

Some Pecheneg and Oghuz subjects could be added here as well... well Gok-Oghuz too, meaning the Blue Oghuz, the modern Gagauzi of Bessarabia, in Republic of Moldavia's Autonomous Region of Gagauzia. Some ethnics are still present in the region of Moldavia, Romania.

Btw will the Cuman Khanate continue as the Golden Horde in tiers 2 and 3 because of the Kypchaks!? That would be good... Maybe called Cuman/Kypchak Khanate as the Kypchak defended the eastern borders and later joined the Mongols, breaking away and creating the Golden Horde, splinter of the Mongol Empire similar to the Ilkanate. They were known further along as Tartars. Some fled to other nations as mercs like the Cumans did in west or even became the dominant class of Egypt and India as Mamluks but the great majority remained and I would really hate to see another what if faction frankly.

**Lucem Mundum** · October 28, 2016, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Visarion

I would really hate to see another what if faction frankly.

There are no what-if factions. What are you talking about?

**Visarion** · October 28, 2016, 05:34 PM

What if tiers I meant, sorry. I mean after 1223 they vanish. As a faction. Cumans regiment of Khunsag, Hungary, mercs for Byzantines and Latins. Allies for Bulgarians and Wallachians and later turning, in part against Ladislaus IV the Cuman and fleeing to the Tartars and then invading Hungary, fallowed by a mixed Tartar, Cuman and Moldavian invasion of Transylvania, Szeklerland, Hermannstadt, Maramaros and Hungary and the anti-Tartar fight from the 14th century of Poland and Hungary and 15th century of Poland, Moldavia and the Crimean Khanate against the Golden Horde and the Ottomans. After 1282 and the invasion of Hungary as a revenge after the Pope made them shave their beards, change their traditional clothing with burgher clothes and de facto practice Catholicism living in a house not tent or hut they dissapear from history as a nation.

Edit: Well mercs in Serbia too. Sold as slaves in Egypt, Persia and India and trained as Mamluks, future rulling class of each. In 1237 they sack and pillage Bulgaria, their former allies until 1232 when they embraced Orthodoxy while Cumans of Black Cumania, Moldavia asked and received a Catholic Bishopry in Siret in 1227, hoping for Hungarian and Papal aid against the advance of the Mongols and the failed alliance of Cumans, Kievans and Bordini at Khalka, 1223. Bordini lived in a territory situated between Szekely and Bilgorod, southern Black Cumania or Moldavia and called by the Pope Terra Bordini, splinters of the Tauri, Iranian in origin like the Jasz of northwestern Moldavia who also fled in Hungary alongside the great majority of the Cumans in 1238, 40,000 families. In 1241 it will be the end of their steppe faction except for the other part of the Cuman Khanate, the allied Kypchak Khanate, future known as the Golden Horde who willingly join the Mongols together with the Bordini and Moldavians. Mongols will subdue Eastern Wallachia also, inhabited by Cumans, Baragan Plain but also Transalpina with Vlach and Saxon inhabitants after killing their ruler in battle but not Western Wallachia or the Banate of Severin allied to Hungary with Vlach, Hungarian, Cuman, Pecheneg and Saxon inhabitants and led by the Vlach Lytuoy, Voivode of Lytua and Ban of Severin comprising Mark of Severin, Hatzeg, Lytua and Duchy of Amlas and Fogaras and the sole European victor against the Mongols nor the Saxons of Terra Bozza or Burzenland even if defeating three of their armies before advancing in Hungary, the armies of Hermannstadt, Nosnerland and Klausenburg or Kronstadt, former Teutonic Stronghold, 1225, Transylvania. Even if they were defeated by Lytuoy they sacked and burned the Vlach, Hungarian, Saxon and Cuman inhabited Severin and the settlements of the Vlachs of Maramaros. Cumans are attested in Severin since 1233 and were in Hatzeg too, probably the origin of the Basarabs who became Dukes of Fogaras and Amlas, Terra Valahorum et Bissenorum, and after the Tartar Khan holding Wallachia and Bulgaria died descended in Eastern Wallachia and captured it together with Vlach, Hungarian, Saxon, Cuman and Pecheneg followers, establishing in a Saxon controlled city, their future capital of Campo Longo. Cumans only survived as part of Hungary, Khunsag, as ruling dinasty of Wallachia, in part and Court Nobles, the Basarab Dinasty, as mercs for Serbia, Latins and Byzantines. Nobles for Bulgarians and slaves for the Saracens, warrior-slave caste or the Mamluks and some, few joining the Mongols and Kypchaks and later Nogais or used as slaves. So options for future tiers of Cumans would be: Kypchaks, Moldavians or Wallachians but the vast territory they hold only qualifies them as the Golden Horde, Kypchaks or Nogais if playable. Well late Crimean Khanate too.

**Lucem Mundum** · October 31, 2016, 05:14 PM

WIP Cuman Units

1) Cuman Hunters, a very light horse archer unit.