Was Hitler actually quite cool?

[Amorphos]

Was Hitler actually quite cool?

After watching a program where Hitlers silent film was given voice by new lipreading technology, i got a completely different impression of the real Hitler. He manipulated his own image massively and this is all we really see of him, yet just a few quotes form a different view of the man, in a recording made by the finnish military hitler said 'who would have though that one nation could produce 35,000 tanks' refering to russia. [note i am not sure if the amount is correct] this shows how he privately revered the russians.

What also becomes clear is that Hitler did not hold back from criticising his inner circle. He is scathing about Himmler's enthusiasm for archaeological digs to establish the origins of the Aryan race but reserved his *****iest remark for Goering...
"I looked at him across the dining table and then I knew that what they say was true," he says, "that pigs eat the flesh of their own."
here he shows his vegetarian dislike for meat eaters which was especially apparent in people he didn't like.

"You talk about a dress that does not fit … imagine my problems,"

indeed Adolf! Thats an interesting place to take the mind, where the fate of the world is in one's hands, you have to be quite incredible to arrive there. Most great leaders left a holocaust of come kind behind them.

Hitler had bought Braun a cine camera for her birthday in 1936. Given his manipulation of the German people by the use of filmed propaganda, it is hardly surprising that he showed enthusiasm for cameras.
"Every German family must have one. Every aspect of the nation's growth would be captured," he says, quite the propget really - when you consider that most people now have video cameras!

Himmler is seen telling Heidrich and Wolff:
"I'm very busy with this project and that project."
A disturbing statement from the man in charge of the Final Solution.

I especially liked this one:
According to transcripts dated November 11, 1941 Hitler said...
"One may regret living at a period when it's impossible to form an idea of the shape the world of the future will assume. But there's one thing I can predict to eaters of meat: the world of the future will be vegetarian."

q. so should hitler be so demonised, was he that different to other 'great' leaders?
q. the main question is then; was he cool or a fool?


source:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nhitler22.xml

[Ronin]

Hitler was evil. He was far from cool. Had your family been raped, murdered and beaten by his henchmen you would think so too.

[Amorphos]

Well of course, but all armies do that kinda thing even recently. I am not talking about that i am considering the nature of the man.

[Ummon]

Well of course, but all armies do that kinda thing even recently. I am not talking about that i am considering the nature of the man.

The Devil was a the most beautiful of angels, according to Christians. A few well said lines, do not make a person better than his or her actions.

[Amorphos]

bwaho
interesting - a california of the east!

we don’t call Europeans fascists for destroying the native cultures and killing the buffalo for fun etc. rome did fall, it just lasted longer, so i don’t think time is a measure either.

as i have pointed out in previous posts much of Hitlers legacy is a part of our everyday life. many people are into fitness as a main drive in their lives, women often judge a man upon his fitness. western culture is all about giving everyone everything [in a manner] or at least the potential, just like Hitler wanted volkswagons and film cameras for everyone [well except jews eh!]

missu
great post, made a lot of sense. to understand people one doesn’t have to like or agree with them.

ummon
so you judge a man upon his deeds? most of what we do is to ‘get there’ i.e.to gain a goal, and in response to the given circumstances. we are not what we do e.g. is the job you do who you are, is what one looks like also what we are? people judge us on such things, it is one of the first things they ask, yet in truth these things are given not made by us.

‘some things are given, others attained’

[Atheist Peace]

Hitler was evil. He was far from cool. Had your family been raped, murdered and beaten by his henchmen you would think so too.

I certainly wouldn't. Why would those acts possibly convince any semi-rational person of the existence of such a thing as evil?

[Ronin]

I certainly wouldn't. Why would those acts possibly convince any semi-rational person of the existence of such a thing as evil?

This isn't a Atheist Peace VS Christianity thread Atheist, stay on topic.

Evil exists, it is a product of human nature. Hitler was evil. You can argue all the backwards logic that you like but in the end you will be forced to accept that fact.

[Atheist Peace]

This isn't a Atheist Peace VS Christianity thread Atheist, stay on topic.

You asserted that Hitler was evil; it's on topic. I mentioned nothing of Christianity.

Evil exists, it is a product of human nature. Hitler was evil. You can argue all the backwards logic that you like but in the end you will be forced to accept that fact.

No. The idea/concept of evil exists because humans created it. The actual entity is nonexistent, however.

[Ronin]

You asserted that Hitler was evil; it's on topic. I mentioned nothing of Christianity.


No. The idea/concept of evil exists because humans created it. The actual entity is nonexistent, however.

Humanity created a non-entity that is in direct confliction of my definition of evil: "a product of mankind"

I'm going to sit back in my comfortable chair, get myself a drink and enjoy watching you sidestep your way out of this tangle.

[Idwayreth]

I certainly wouldn't. Why would those acts possibly convince any semi-rational person of the existence of such a thing as evil?

Wow i thought i was the only person in the world that hated seeing the word "EVIL" being attached to human beings. EVIL imo means there is no good fibre in your being such as love, loyalty, affection for others etc. EVIL imo is a term related to the devil(if you believe in that stuff) Yes human beings can be complete dipsh!ts but i wouldn't call them evil.

[Farnan]

Hitler was evil. He was far from cool. Had your family been raped, murdered and beaten by his henchmen you would think so too.

You're right, he was as cool as Tojo...

Ask any Korean, Filipino, or Manchurian how cool Tojo was...

[Ronin]

You're right, he was as cool as Tojo...

Ask any Korean, Filipino, or Manchurian how cool Tojo was...

Farnan did you actually agree with me *blinks* ?

Wow... There is a first for everything!

[Farnan]

Farnan did you actually agree with me *blinks* ?

Wow... There is a first for everything!

I don't disagree with everything you say, just everything regarding the Katana...

[Amorphos]

Means to an end, that is one of the main things of war. You commit evil – which any war is – in order to get the world to be as you want it. His idea of a perfect world may not be to mine or any of your liking, but we may ask what would happen if any such person won i.e. A united world, no cold war etc. if he had won perhaps the sixties hippy n stuff would still have happened and even if not then one way or another the lesser attribute would be removed eventually.

Look at the quotes – thats what i am talking about! The man himself.

[Tom Paine]

q. so should hitler be so demonised, was he that different to other 'great' leaders?

He shouldn't be demonised for unrelated reasons; it devalues the phrase "never again" to think of him as inhuman, and as soon as we think of him as inhuman we think no man could do that again. And then we open the door for them to do so. Oh, and yes, yes he was; no other leader was s supremacist in the sense Hitler was.

q. the main question is then; was he cool or a fool?

Take a guess at the answer a semitic homosexual will give, hmm?

[Tom Paine]

The man himself was a supremacist, the man himself was a homophobe, an anti-semite, a hater of pretty much everything different from himself; how could the Sixties have happened, he stamped on jazz, he stamped in fact on anything but classical music; no, the man himself was definitely not "cool".

[chatty_1094]

If you watch the History Channel, sometimes they talk about Hitler. They said that he wanted more land for the perfect Human Race.

[chatty_1094]

One more thing! He almost killed all of the Jews

[chatty_1094]

Hitler was Violent! He would kill everyone if he had the chance then he would clone the people he liked the most and make the Perfect Human Race he wanted

[Siblesz]

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

We're all the same. We all share the same feelings, we all deal with the same passions, we all think the same thoughts, we all deal with things the same way. It only varies with situation. That's the key to it all. Demonizing is a thing of society. When you get down to the very roots of existence, you realize that everything is inter-connected, that individuality is an illusion, and that everything is pre-programmed by the great cycle of the universe. And thus, I am Hitler, Hitler is me, and you are all Hitlers too. That's why, to many of you, seeing Hitler in such a human manner and relating his behavior to your own might hit a chord deep down in the human conscience (wait a second... you mean Hitler WASN'T the anti-Christ?!!! ).

And don't debate me on that... I just wrote a long ass post in reply to a politics post, and I'm in no mood to debate. If you want to question it, question it to yourselves.