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    Pain of Afghan suicide women
    By Payenda Sargand
    BBC News, Kabul



    Gulsoom is 17-years-old and married. Last year she tried to commit suicide - she failed.
    She set fire to herself but, against the odds, survived with appalling injuries.

    Her plight reflects that of a growing number of young Afghan women, campaigners say.

    Driven to desperation by forced marriages and abusive husbands, more and more are seeking release through self-immolation.

    Gulsoom was engaged at the age of 12. Three years later her family married her to a man aged 40 who she says was addicted to drugs.


    She was then taken to Iran. Her husband beat her regularly, Gulsoom says, particularly when he had no money for heroin.

    "Once after I was badly beaten by my husband, I was in bed when I heard a voice murmuring and telling me to go and set fire to myself," she says.

    "I went and poured petrol on my whole body. The flames on my body lasted for minutes. After eight days I found myself conscious in bed.

    "I cared about my father's dignity - that's why I tolerated everything."

    'No one will marry me'

    Gulsoom has had many operations since she divorced her husband and faces many more.

    She's not alone - there are hundreds of other women who have tried and failed to kill themselves.

    Some women do manage to end their lives, but many survive with huge burns to their faces and bodies, like Gulsoom.

    In many cases they have no choice but to return to the husband and the abuse from which they sought escape.

    Gulsoom looks hopelessly at her scarred hands saying her only wish now is to be made better, although she says no one will marry her again with her burnt skin.

    "When I wore nice clothes my husband showed jealousness," she recalls.

    Forced marriages, a culture of family violence and many other social problems are given as causes for the suicides.

    Afghan women have long had to suffer violence or mysterious deaths. Even now girls are still handed over in disputes or as compensation in murder cases.

    Publicising abuse


    The BBC's Salmi Suhaili, who works on women-related issues, says women taking their lives is not a new phenomenon in what is traditionally a very conservative society.

    But the rise of a civil society and a free media is helping to publicise their acts, he says.

    Figures given by Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission show that more women burned themselves to death this year in the southern province of Kandahar than anywhere else in the country.

    Last year, Herat in the west - where most girls marry at around 15 - was top.

    Deputy minister of women's affairs Maliha Sahak says that 197 incidents of self-immolation have been recorded since March 2006, 35 of them in Kandahar province alone. A total of 69 women lost their lives.

    The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan says that Kandahar's only hospital for women, which has 40 beds, received 29 cases of suicide in the space of two months. Twenty of those women had set themselves alight.

    Independent Human Rights Commission head Sima Samar regrets that, five years after the Taleban were ousted, Afghan women are still suffering violence in its various forms.

    She says suicide is the final decision for women who don't have any other way to solve their problems or escape abuse.

    Changing mindsets


    The commission has been working with the Medica Mondiale agency to try to overcome cultural obstacles and give women more of a voice.

    Campaigners say violence against women must not remain hidden or it will not stop.

    Deputy women's minister Maliha Sahak points to last year's protocol involving many Afghan ministries, the Supreme Court and the human rights commission.

    It was passed with President Hamid Karzai's approval and banned the marriage of a woman if she is under 18 years old.

    She says another law is in the pipeline which will require agreement from both man and woman for their wedding to be legal.

    The women's ministry is to mount an awareness campaign targeting men in an attempt to reduce the violence.

    After decades of war, Afghanistan's civil society is still in its infancy.

    Those trying to end violence against women face many years of struggle to change fundamental elements of tradition and culture, as well as so-called Afghan dignity.
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    At first I was appalled by this facts of this article, but then the cultural relativist in me whispered that I could not judge. What does your conscience say to you?
    As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.

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    The cultural relativist says that its going to wander off and find a corner. I don't think anyone could ever say a culture that drives people to self-harm and suicide is acceptable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    I don't think anyone could ever say a culture that drives people to self-harm and suicide is acceptable...
    Wow...there goes every culture in history I can think up...
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    What a distasteful title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sit down, fat dog View Post
    What a distasteful title.
    Yup, but not nearly so distasteful as as its contents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendylyn
    One of these days you'll realize that cultural relativism is the foolish notion that right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion rather than logical analysis, and that the second can easily judge this sort of behavior.
    I am not a cultural relativist. I just happened to see this article and thought wow, here is a society that uses young girls as barter material. I treat my furniture better than this. And people call me materialistic!

    To the point though. Just about everyone who reads this will say to themselves that something needs to be done about this. However as one contemplates all that would need to be done, one ought to grow quite alarmed and probably discouraged. However cultural relativism allows one's conscience to take a holiday. With one broad stroke of indifference, injustice disappears into shades of grey.
    As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white ****” as they beat me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Appalled by this facts of this article, but then the cultural relativist in me whispered that I could not judge. What does your conscience say to you?
    One of these days you'll realize that cultural relativism is the foolish notion that right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion rather than logical analysis, and that the second can easily judge this sort of behavior.

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    But that is a personal view, not a provable one... cultural relativism is equally valid as your own view, Gwendylyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    But that is a personal view, not a provable one... cultural relativism is equally valid as your own view, Gwendylyn.
    Only if you you think every opinion is equally valid, but that's a huge debate in and of itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird
    To the point though. Just about everyone who reads this will say to themselves that something needs to be done about this. However as one contemplates all that would need to be done, one ought to grow quite alarmed and probably discouraged. However cultural relativism allows one's conscience to take a holiday. With one broad stroke of indifference, injustice disappears into shades of grey.
    Completely agreed.

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    And I thought the freedom loving American invasion would make things change.

    Maybe I was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sephodwyrm View Post
    And I thought the freedom loving American invasion would make things change.

    Maybe I was wrong.
    America and Britians invasion of Afghanistan was never intended to change the local culture/religious views what so ever, it was meant to drive out the Taliban.
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    Bull it does; see my own post. Cultural relativism be damned, sometimes; some things are unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Bull it does; see my own post. Cultural relativism be damned, sometimes; some things are unacceptable.
    I didn't mean that *you* think all opinions are valid. I meant the *plural you* addressing cultural relativists who would tolerate such a society.

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    So now that the Taliban is gone, sort of, we should just let the nation stay the same but under an anti-terrorist government?

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    That wuold, yes, entirely deal with the invasion of Afghanistan's original intent; it was only Iraq were democratisation was a priority or even an aim.

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