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Mercenaries thread
Hi. I'm curious. Do any of you have any cool ideas when it comes to mercenaries? Copy paste some iconic units from Stainless Steel's mercenaries list or do you guys have other ideas?
Suggestion based on what I know of Scandinavia:
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Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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well i'll try to give some ideas about mercenaries :
For France and England
Unit Based on Roadmen company "Compagnie de Routier" in french:
Great company were mercenaries recruted between XII and XIV century, privated of employer during peace, they regrouped in band called free company, and were living at detriment of local populations. Those mercenaries were disign as roadmen (routier in french) because they belong to a road ( "troupe" in french).
The first wave of raodmen company were used in XII and XIII century during civil war in england ( who opposed king etienne vs mathilde (mother of Henri II) between 1137 and 1153). Henri II integrate the permanatly to his army at 1159, Phillippe 2 August (Kingdom of france)do the same in 1180.
Based in Historic fact we can do an unit of Longbowmen,
Many of those mercenaries were coming from british islands and using longbow one of the most famous longbowmen was Lambert de CADOC a WELSH chief of raodmen company who fought for KINg Philippe II AUGUST during normandy conquest and received some territoryes.
An another source tell that they were using the most devastating weapon at this moment the arbalest.
source: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandes_compagnies FR
source: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_Cadoc FR
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There is also this :
Swiss piquemans mercenaries : they were used in french , english , dutch and spanish army for sure .
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_mercenaries
For italian state i heard about condotierre but my knowlegde is stoping here sry i can't help that much .
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I believe France made extensive use of Genoese crossbowmen.
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yes for sure at azincourt batlle they send them vs english archers and genoese crosbowmen fled after heavy lost the french knight charged them if i remeber correctly.
Senator
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You also have the originally Scottish to then Irish Gallowglass mercenaries. There will be three tiers of the unit too from 13th century to 15th century.
I would like more information on Flemish mercenaries, German mercenaries, Victual Brotherhood, English privateers, Swiss mercenaries, Iberian Almogavars, and the Italian mercenaries including Milanese and Geonese. I'll look up information on the French Roadmen. I would love more information of the mercenaries from the East like from China or Mongolia. The Ilkhanate and the Golden Horde might have access to some really exotic mercs.
Perhaps I can make a preview thread of mercenaries later.
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There are also the "Free Companies" that rose to prominence in the 14th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_company
There were the German Great Company who fought in Italy during from the 1340s to the 1360s. They were mainly known for large numbers of heavy cavalry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Company_(German)
The Great Company of English and Germans aka the White Company were a mercenary company made up of English and Germans. They fought under John Hawkwood and they were made up of mounted men-at-arms, armed with lances. But they were also known to fight on foot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Company
The most famous was the Catalan company of the East or simply the Catalan Company. They were primarily made up of Catalans and they fought heavily in Greece, during wars between the Byzantines, Turks and Crusaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Company
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I'll do my best ! Forgive my english skills i'm french as u could understand.
French Roadmen (aslo called free company) or ("grandes compagnie"FR)
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Gameplay/Units recomandations: historical explaination in ittalic
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I hope u can understand the most part of my explainations if u understand well i'll do it for other mercenrys unit (Flander, swiss, italian mercenaryes,etc...) pls answer me if u understand correctly my post .
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There is the Navarrese Company from Navarre and Gascony. They are a 13th to 14th century mercenary group.
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Yes! I can read it very clearly! Thank you, I will look forward to reading more information about the mercenaries you will provide next.
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Flemish mercenaries
These mercenaries seem to have roots back to the 11 and 12th century with ties to the Norman invasion and early plantagenet dynasty of England.Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
~Wille
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
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Good my turn to play then :
Flemish Piquemen:
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Swiss pikemen:
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Genoese crossbowmen(early) /pavise (late):
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Condotierri:
Condotierri was the name of free company captain's used in italy by city's realm they came after the french free men's and was different than the french free company. Condotierri were ancient soldier or noble in quest of wealth and famous they and they're soldier were fighting for the rich intalian realms who were contesting each other trade ressources those band of mercenaryes were mostly used in late middle-age and beginning of renaissance so their equipment to compare with french great company most be more costly due to the wealth of italian stast and more advanced due to technology.
Source : https://books.google.fr/books?id=20X...gunner&f=false ENG
Early had heavy monted unit then they switch to elite light (tactical) cavalry in XV century.
Early they're infantry were using lances till late 14's century were heavy infantry were replacing them.
Archer were mostly use until late XIV century were they have been replaced by crosbowmen .
It is good to notice that schiopetto (handgun) were present in italian army really early around 1300 and being the most important at the late XV century.
So i recommend :
Early unit:
Condiotierri heavy calavalry band: XIIIcentury
Condotierri spearmen Band: XIIIcentury
Condotierri archers band: XIIIcentury
Condotieeeri schioppetto band: XIV century
Late Unit:
Condotierri heavy infantry band:
Condotierri Crosbow Band:
Condotierri LIght tactical calvalry:
Condostieri arquebusier:
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eastern Mercenaries:
Kipchaq/Cuman mercenaryes: (number 2 in photo 1)
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Petcheneg mercenaries:
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Soudanese and nubia mercenaryies:
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Volonteeer from ghana empire: in blue turban
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Doesn't look like a Ghanese but a Tuareg, mostly because of his blue turban and his whole dress. Late Ghanese and Malians rather looked like this:
Volonteeer from ghana empire: in blue turban
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I also dont see why a Ghanese/Malian would fight for the Egyptian Ayyoubids.
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The book is talking about djihad armies led by saladin ghana empire had muslim comunityes (wiki said =) ) then this is why they had them in this book.Doesn't look like a Ghanese but a Tuareg, mostly because of his blue turban and his whole dress. Late Ghanese and Malians rather looked like this:
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I also dont see why a Ghanese/Malian would fight for the Egyptian Ayyoubids.
the author of those book is from osprey publishing (oxford) a speacialist of uniformology (they said):
http://fr.slideshare.net/XXXXB/soldats-moyen-age-4
http://fr.slideshare.net/XXXXB/soldats-moyen-age-5
http://fr.slideshare.net/XXXXB/solda...xt_slideshow=1
they have interesting concept for mongol for example u can inspire from this :
FOOT archer:
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Horse archer :
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Heavy cavalry:
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Tribal steppe wariiors:
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Naccarra skirmirsher drummer (my favorite):
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Good ideas you got there Lauvergna91
In regards to Flemish armour, goedendag, geldon and armour 1300-1400.
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Speaking of pikes, here is one from Germany (not sure where), 1425. Sauce. I can't quite explain his use of shield and armour.
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~Wille
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
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u also asked for chinese mercenaries.
I found only that atm :
Jurchen explosiv slingers :
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Mercenary CHu-Ko-NU:
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Victual Brotherhood
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~Wille
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Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
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Crossbow,Sword, shield, basic Plate armor or something less armoured, bassinet a rouelle (
), so those could always be a type of weapon they use. I've also heard that during the 1400s their primary weapons were crossbows, swords and axes from 
