blacks and mexicans - why no bieno?

**Gaul** · November 29, 2006, 10:31 PM

Well, what is see is Puerto Ricans might have a little bit of black in them, left over from the slave trade. Mexicans, on the other hand, or more Mexican Indian oriented. Yet also, there is a claim that the Spanish and Italians have black in them. The Moors and Carthaginians (Going back to the B.C.'s) were of a North African, Berber descent. Sub Saharan Africa is black. But blacks hating Mexicans?? I see no sence. A black man can work in an Italian restaurant, have a lady (I hate to use this word) "excepted" by a man of any creed, and wear a smile too. I'm just never around when it happens. Perhaps I don't get out much, perhaps I do but walk with my head down. Well, anyway, put on a happy face cause 2morrow is the start of the rest of ur life

**Trey** · November 29, 2006, 11:36 PM

Wait, what? What are you trying to get at...

**Shazbot** · November 30, 2006, 12:16 AM

I think I get it, your saying that it is wrong for Blacks and Latinos/Spanish to "hate" each other?

**Idwayreth** · November 30, 2006, 12:21 AM

From what i gather i think what he's trying to say is, because some mexicans have black descendents that they should not hate each other and that it makes no sense to him. So in other words, we should not hate people based on their race and not on their individual actions. this is just racist and wrong on so many levels. then again, that's what i got from that paragraph and it was a little hard to understand so if i'm wrong sorry.

**Gaul** · December 02, 2006, 07:21 PM

Basically, all 3 of you are right

*Mexicans are not part black

**Farnan** · December 03, 2006, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by Gaul

Well, what is see is Puerto Ricans might have a little bit of black in them, left over from the slave trade. Mexicans, on the other hand, or more Mexican Indian oriented. Yet also, there is a claim that the Spanish and Italians have black in them. The Moors and Carthaginians (Going back to the B.C.'s) were of a North African, Berber descent. Sub Saharan Africa is black. But blacks hating Mexicans?? I see no sence. A black man can work in an Italian restaurant, have a lady (I hate to use this word) "excepted" by a man of any creed, and wear a smile too. I'm just never around when it happens. Perhaps I don't get out much, perhaps I do but walk with my head down. Well, anyway, put on a happy face cause 2morrow is the start of the rest of ur life

Umm, the Carthaginians were not black, and I don't think the Moors were either...

The Carthaginians were Lebanese, and the Moors North African.

**Crimson Star** · December 06, 2006, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Farnan

Umm, the Carthaginians were not black, and I don't think the Moors were either...

North African todays isn't the same as north Afrian 1000 years aho or even 2000 years ago...

Just like American today is different from american a 1000 years ago.

The Moors were a widely ranged group of people. Just like North Africa is/has been. The vast majoruty of Mauretania (even parts of Marocco and Algeria) used to be "black africans", and that was not long ago at all...but incidents in history has changed that...

The Carthaginians were Lebanese, and the Moors North African.

If the Phonecians blended in any way with it's surrondings then it's safe to say the Carthaginians were likely mixed in with the natives some way. Be it cultural or not...

**Lucius Varenus** · December 05, 2006, 12:09 AM

Carthaginians weren't Lebanese, they were Phoenician. Lebanese people are Arabs except for the Maronite Christians who like to pretend they're not.

**Tom Paine** · December 05, 2006, 02:49 AM

Where, might I ask, was Phoenecia? Generally thought to be in... the modern Lebanon.

**Lucius Varenus** · December 09, 2006, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Where, might I ask, was Phoenecia? Generally thought to be in... the modern Lebanon.

So if I said that Turks = Trojans, I would be correct? Where was Troy? Generally thought to be in modern Turkey.

**Tom Paine** · December 09, 2006, 05:54 AM

But unlike Troy, Phoenicia is not thought to have been a Greek colony. Troy is.

**Farnan** · December 09, 2006, 08:23 AM

Arab is not a race. I'll say it again Arab is not a race. I'll say it a third time so it sinks in, Arab is not a race. An Arab is anyone who speaks the Arabic language. It may be an ethnic group, but it isn't a race.

The Carthaginians were semetic, specifically Punic. Most of the people of Lebanon are semetic, and probably most of them are descended from the original peoples (as the People of Turkey are probably mostly descended from the original people, even though it has been conquered time and time over).

And here is a Berber, the people who inhabited Northern Africa from Egypt to Algeria since the birth of history:

**~~removeduser_426582376423734~~** · December 09, 2006, 08:42 AM

Meh, you probably have some black and mexican blood in you somewhere - no-one can tell how "pure" you are. But, hey, if you look white, you're full american, aren't ya?

**Farnan** · December 09, 2006, 09:14 AM

Frankly I don't give a damn what race you are, I just don't want people changing historical figure's race in order to advance their political agenda. Doing that is as messed up as a soup sandwhich.

**Tom Paine** · December 09, 2006, 09:51 AM

No, Arab is not a race... semitic is. That covers the modern Lebanon. It also covered the ancient Lebanon (and ancient Israel for that matter, especially post-Cyrus).