Latin Empire Unit Roster proposal

**FrozenmenSS** · January 30, 2016, 04:39 PM

So as we know Latin Empire was formed by crusaders from Burgundy,Flanders,Brittany,Lombardia,Venetians and Normans. So why not give that Faction units from those factions + the unique unit that are already created by the mod's team. Example the england and France got some of those units from their Duchies in Custom and multiplayer battles and in the campaign as levy troups from vassals.Is it good to give some of those units to the Latin Empire in the Balkans/Asia Minor to flesh out their Roster?

**Olligarchy** · February 03, 2016, 04:05 AM

This could actually be an interesting idea if properly implemented.

The Latin Empire for its short duration was never really able to trust the native populace to rise up in its defense, and was instead constantly hindered by a lack of manpower due to an overt reliance on mercenaries and Western Crusaders to fight its wars. Maybe this could be represented with a really, really limited roster of troops in their Tier 1 and maybe even 2 list, but off-set by high quality tier 3 and mercenary units that are drawn from the top picks of France, England and the Italian states? This should also give the Niceans a chance at survival and make the Latin Empire quite an interesting experience as you do your best to survive with limited, but elite troops and whatever reinforcements you can get from the west!

**FrozenmenSS** · February 04, 2016, 04:28 AM

All true.

The AOR system can also be used for the western themed units.Or use them in the mercenary pool and AOR is used for Greek units only.

And to help the Latin empire their faction traits to be like Carthige in Rome 2 with the bonus for mercenaries upkeep and recruitment?

**Olligarchy** · February 05, 2016, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by FrozenmenSS

All true.

The AOR system can also be used for the western themed units.Or use them in the mercenary pool and AOR is used for Greek units only.

And to help the Latin empire their faction traits to be like Carthige in Rome 2 with the bonus for mercenaries upkeep and recruitment?

AOR should probably be native Greek units with

morale, with Mercenary pool and units getting benefits.

And yeah, some sort of -Mercenary cost and maintenance would be a good idea.

**command_codes** · February 04, 2016, 10:38 PM

Whatever it will be, cannot wait!

**FrozenmenSS** · February 05, 2016, 12:31 AM

The problem with this faction with its late game units is that it was conquered in 1262, but it's vassals in Southern modern Greece lasted until the Ottoman invasion of the balkans. Some of them even lasted until the 17th century with the help of the Italian naval powers like Venice.

**Ashe** · February 22, 2016, 01:49 PM

Just for fun i make a hypothetical roster for them.
I tried to mix Frankish, Italians and Greeks units in the roster to represent the condition of the empire during the Latins domination.

http://i.imgur.com/bWNjC3Y.jpg?1
(i used some units-cards made by the mod developers for an easier representation.)

T1:
Greek Auxiliary Peltast / Latin Militia Archer / Latin Militia Crossbow / Greek Auxiliary Spearmen / Venetian Galley Crew / Latin Dismounted Knight / Turcopole Auxiliary / Venetian Light Cavalry / Latin Knight

T2:
Sergeant Crossbow / Armoured Sergent Crossbow / Greek Guard Auxiliary / Sergent / Armourd Sergent / Mounted Sergent / Latin Cataphract

T3:
Handgunner / Late Crossbow / Late Venetian Infantry / Late Infantry / Late Knight
(And off course we need an early and late Latin Emperor)

It's just a proposal to try to advance the thread. ^^

**FrozenmenSS** · February 22, 2016, 04:43 PM

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

I think its preaty good representation overall

and its pretty well done unit roster.I support your proposal 100%, Ashe

**Slytacular** · April 23, 2016, 07:59 AM

I'll see if I can reproduce that example. Is there anymore information on the vassals troops in Southern Greece? For tiers 2 and 3 I would like to avoid as much fiction as I can with unit design. The auxiliary troops are a bit of an eyebrow raiser for me though. I would think it would be more of a Levy garrison that are either volunteers or for city defense. I'm thinking about making the Latin Empire unable to recruit low quality troops for which you only see those troops as city drafts and garrisons. Therefore, the player can only rely on recruiting mercenaries and professionals. I'm also thinking about giving Constantinople some buildings containing holy relics with very high selling price. Each of those buildings will have a bonus in public order, so you have the option of either exchanging the buildings for money or keep the buildings to make the locals happy.

**Ampraciotis** · May 07, 2016, 11:23 AM

Hey guy!i have a question for you.I post here cause i didnt notice a question thread.Why dont you add Despotate of Epirus as a Faction???i would really love to see them in this mod.

**Ltd.** · May 07, 2016, 11:31 AM

They already are in the planning and a large part of their units are already done and will be playable in the next installment of this mod (not the one that is coming next Monday, ofc )