Worst Desertion

**Endeav** · November 28, 2006, 02:14 AM

I'm playing HRE on Vh/VH. Desertions never really bothered me, usually I only had single militia units out alone deserted and becomming rebels.

Well, I just got a kick in the butt. I sent my eastern army's cavalry forces back to retrain.

This consisted of:
1x 8 experience Imperial Knights
3x 7/8 experience Teutonic Knights
2x 9 experience Gothic Knights
1x 7 experience Reiter.

They retrained all nicely, then I sent them back to the eastern front. Should've taken 2 turns to reach the front (gota love paved roads). After the first turn they deserted. Those 9 exp gothic knights are probably the strongest units on the damn map and they all turned rebel. This is a really harsh lesson to always put a general on my travelling units

Took quite a few battles to build up all that experience.

**nightwar** · November 28, 2006, 02:18 AM

OUCH! I feel for You.

**snuggans** · November 28, 2006, 03:17 AM

multiple save files rock!

**freekyjason** · November 28, 2006, 03:24 AM

aaah but it can be fun to try and deal with the problems that crop up without reloading

other times i agree, multiple saves is helpful

that army might just give you a run for your money

**Endeav** · November 28, 2006, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by WaynehMarls

multiple save files rock!

I didn't even notice they rebelled. I got a message Captain Random turned rebel and I ignored it. Then I was wondering why my cavalry hadn't arrived with my main stack, then I went searching. Lo and Behold Captain Random is sitting there as a random stack with some monstrously powerful cavalry.

Damnit

**Tiwaz** · November 28, 2006, 04:54 AM

Yeah. I had similar problem once. Experienced reinforcements going rogue on their way to frontlines. Costly to eradicate... Thankfully I never seem to have lack of generals to move troops around.

**Oddball_E8** · November 28, 2006, 05:47 AM

ive tried to turn off desertion but the game wont work then...

**spirit_of_rob** · November 28, 2006, 05:55 AM

Wasnt so much the army i lost it was the situation it left with me,

Crusade onroute to Jerusalem when i got excommunicated crusade disbands leaving the king of england in the middle of asia minor without an army! fortuantly i had a bit of money so i hired a mercenary army to escort him through turkish byzantine hungarian german and milanese territory back to marseille. I thought about conquering my way back but realised id never be able to support the upkeep for long plus id never be able to reenforce them if they got in trouble

**Ack_[FHA]** · November 28, 2006, 06:31 AM

I've had the same problem, it seems to happen more in the middle to the end of the game. I never see it happen in the begining of the game. Wierd bug.

- Ack

**jodocus** · November 28, 2006, 09:26 AM

@yeoman
i had a full stack (no general) deserting in turn 20something, played as sicily. they where my first real army, waiting to be shipped to africa. it was a grim pleasure eliminating them to the last man as soon as i could. when the commander then announced that they had not been given any mercy since they deserved none, i nodded in front of my computer.

**OG Grenadier** · November 28, 2006, 09:26 AM

I have had 100% desertion from a full stack crusading army. It takes too long to sail from London to Jerusalem I'm afraid. Next time I'm going to march through bloody France and set sail from Toulouse.

**Vor** · November 28, 2006, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by OG Grenadier

I have had 100% desertion from a full stack crusading army. It takes too long to sail from London to Jerusalem I'm afraid. Next time I'm going to march through bloody France and set sail from Toulouse.

I find it best to hold off joining a crusade until the last minute. Sure, it takes longer to get there, but you don't suffer the desertion.

**Kopijeger** · November 28, 2006, 01:38 PM

You have to wonder why knights would desert you without a compelling reason. You'd abandoning your liege like that would result in the confiscation of all your property, so unless it was another faction that offered them greater rewards, it is absurd that they should just turn like that.

**Hundred** · November 28, 2006, 02:48 PM

Not my worst but I've seen what happened to the Venetian AI on my vh/h English campaign. Two full stacks of silver chevron xbow/cav/spear militia rebeled in the same turn. Next turn, I sieged and took Milan and Genoa from them. ^^

Never had units desert on me yet...(much too afraid to)

**twp127** · November 28, 2006, 02:54 PM

newer ever join the crusade before your are ready to go towards target or else some will disband.
and use as much of your movement as you can towards the target or they quit fighting for you as well.
I think its rather amusing that you guys are getting into so much trouble.
I tried it once(lost 4 units huscarls) and decided never to try it again. And haven´t yet.