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    Default Installation is to complicated

    I am trying to install Third Age Total War for Medieval 2, but it is to diffecult.
    It nearly looks like you try to make it difficult on purpose for simple people, on purpose....

    Let's just start over here about common sense;

    Download Links
    TATW 3.1 Patch
    ModDB-link down; v3.1 is not required to install TATW 3.2, but is still of interest for certain submods.

    1. Installation
    Requirements:
    - TATW 3.2 require that you first have installed the base 3.0 and patch 3.1, before patching to 3.2.

    Give This Guy A MEDAL !
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    Yeaaaah, we really DON'T want people to play the mod we love and help support so people can play it...

    To make things clear: patch 3.1 is not required, only use patch 3.2.
    Apperently I forgot to edit that fact everywhere. I will fix that - but hey, when do you want to give me my medal? I'm waiting.

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    Well you have to understand people who have zero understanding of computer stuff and other things (that seems for most people here just simple) is nearly impossible to understand for common people.

    So one will try to act like a robot and just take the raw orders to go from A to B, like I try to do it, but if the instruction are dynamic someone who has no understanding of how it actually work can only guess what to at a certain point.

    So for example when I read; you require this, and other statement says you do not require it, just like a computer, you can not give it 2 orders that are both opposite from each other, you have to understand I have really no idea how the technical part of this all work and I am someone who is quite good in understanding difficult stuff.

    Like for example you have to disarm a nuclear bomb, you have really no idea how it works just a paper of instructions, so you just follow the instructions raw, but the paper tells you to cut red wire but also don't cut the red wire, but you only have to cut the red wire if the blue wire is attached to point E4T, for the scientist who gave you the instruction it is just common sense, but you have no freaking idea how this all works you just follow the instructions on the paper, how the hell are you able to react to the dynamic situation, like you know cutting the red wire or not is depending if the blue wire is attached to point E4T, that for the scientist is just common sense.

    Of course in this situation you just install 3.1 to be sure about it, since the instruction of TATW don't tell you in will give you any problems installing 3.1 before 3.2, but there it is starting to confuse you already.

    So after that I am getting guided to a link that will tell me about >> Installation of Third Age TW and its submods ( with pictures ! ) in this guide.

    Here it tells me first to: Windows 8 Users, both Steam and non Steam Users!! You need to Edit Security for your main Medieval II Total War as shown here: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/take-ownership-windows-8

    Now he says; "as shown here" , for me it is not clear if he means this is an example or I actually have to follow the instructions over there since something similar is showed below it as well.
    Anyway if I try the link the page of the windows club, it only shows you what to do at the settings....not how to access this particular settings, yes I know this is just common sense to allot people but not for everyone.

    After that the other guide says; NOTE for STEAM Users: You only need to do this first step, steps 2. and 3. ( hidden files, Virtual Store.. ) are for non steam users.

    "you only need to do the first step, step 2, step 3.

    +^Steam users only have to take the red color, theblue colorand thegreen color, (The blue color and the green color) are only for non steam users.......so what is the actual difference???

    Yes yes I know, It took me some time to figure out what he meant over there before my brain exploded, after that I gave up on the puzzle.


    Like I said, for some people certain things are just common sense, so you can deal with complicated stuff if your dump with this stuff by just putting your brain on zero and take raw orders like a computer from the instruction paper, but if these orders are not clear, just like a computer you will freeze, and crash.

    I am just like is this all on purpose? or has none ever complained about it? or is it never tested by let's say "a dump person" to see if he can do it solid 100% without missing stuff in his game data?

    People who download this mod just have interest in and LOTR and medieval total war, everything else about it technical aspect will remain a mystery, just follow the paper of instructions you have no idea what your doing and it will be done.

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    Default Re: Installation is to complicated

    Well you have to understand people who have zero understanding of computer stuff and other things (that seems for most people here just simple) is nearly impossible to understand for common people.

    So one will try to act like a robot and just take the raw orders to go from A to B, like I try to do it, but if the instruction are dynamic, someone who has no understanding of how it actually work, can only guess what to at a certain point.

    So for example when I read; you require this, and other statement says you do not require it, just like a computer, you can not give it 2 orders that are both opposite from each other, you have to understand I have really no idea how the technical part of this all work and I am someone who is quite good in understanding difficult stuff.

    Like for example you have to disarm a nuclear bomb, you have really no idea how it works just a paper of instructions, so you just follow the instructions raw, but the paper tells you to cut red wire but also don't cut the red wire, but you only have to cut the red wire if the blue wire is attached to point E4T, for the scientist who gave you the instruction it is just common sense, but you have no freaking idea how this all works you just follow the instructions on the paper, how the hell are you able to react to the dynamic situation, like you know cutting the red wire or not is depending if the blue wire is attached to point E4T, that for the scientist is just common sense.

    Of course in this situation you just install 3.1 to be sure about it, since the instruction of TATW don't tell you in will give you any problems installing 3.1 before 3.2, but there it is starting to confuse you already.

    So after that I am getting guided to a link that will tell me about
    Installation of Third Age TW and its submods ( with pictures ! )

    Windows 8 Users, both Steam and non Steam Users!! You need to Edit Security for your main Medieval II Total War as shown here: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/take-ownership-windows-8

    Now he says; "as shown here" , for me it is not clear if he means this is an "example" or I actually have to follow the instructions over there since something similar is showed below it as well in the pictures.
    Anyway if I try the link the page of the windows club, it only shows you what to do at the settings....not how to access this particular settings, yes I know this is just common sense to allot people but not for everyone.

    After that the other guide says; NOTE for STEAM Users: You only need to do this first step, steps 2. and 3. ( hidden files, Virtual Store.. ) are for non steam users.

    "you only need to do the first step, step 2, and 3"

    +^Steam users only have to take the red color, the blue color and the green color, (The blue color and the green color) are only for non steam users.......so what is the actual difference???

    Yes yes I know, It took me some time to figure out what he meant over there before my brain exploded, after that I gave up on the puzzle.

    Like I said, for some people certain things are just common sense, so you can deal with complicated stuff if your stupid with this by just putting your brain on zero and take raw orders like a computer from the instruction paper, but if these orders are not clear, just like a computer you will freeze, and crash.

    I am just like; is this all on purpose? or has none ever complained about it? or is it never tested by let's say "a dump person" to see if he can do it solid 100% without missing stuff in his game data?

    People who download this mod just have interest in and LOTR and medieval total war, everything else about it technical aspect will remain a mystery, just follow the paper of instructions you have no idea what your doing and it will be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondOverlord View Post
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Well you have to understand people who have zero understanding of computer stuff and other things (that seems for most people here just simple) is nearly impossible to understand for common people.

    So one will try to act like a robot and just take the raw orders to go from A to B, like I try to do it, but if the instruction are dynamic, someone who has no understanding of how it actually work, can only guess what to at a certain point.

    So for example when I read; you require this, and other statement says you do not require it, just like a computer, you can not give it 2 orders that are both opposite from each other, you have to understand I have really no idea how the technical part of this all work and I am someone who is quite good in understanding difficult stuff.

    Like for example you have to disarm a nuclear bomb, you have really no idea how it works just a paper of instructions, so you just follow the instructions raw, but the paper tells you to cut red wire but also don't cut the red wire, but you only have to cut the red wire if the blue wire is attached to point E4T, for the scientist who gave you the instruction it is just common sense, but you have no freaking idea how this all works you just follow the instructions on the paper, how the hell are you able to react to the dynamic situation, like you know cutting the red wire or not is depending if the blue wire is attached to point E4T, that for the scientist is just common sense.

    Of course in this situation you just install 3.1 to be sure about it, since the instruction of TATW don't tell you in will give you any problems installing 3.1 before 3.2, but there it is starting to confuse you already.

    So after that I am getting guided to a link that will tell me about
    Installation of Third Age TW and its submods ( with pictures ! )

    Windows 8 Users, both Steam and non Steam Users!! You need to Edit Security for your main Medieval II Total War as shown here: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/take-ownership-windows-8

    Now he says; "as shown here" , for me it is not clear if he means this is an "example" or I actually have to follow the instructions over there since something similar is showed below it as well in the pictures.
    Anyway if I try the link the page of the windows club, it only shows you what to do at the settings....not how to access this particular settings, yes I know this is just common sense to allot people but not for everyone.

    After that the other guide says; NOTE for STEAM Users: You only need to do this first step, steps 2. and 3. ( hidden files, Virtual Store.. ) are for non steam users.

    "you only need to do the first step, step 2, and 3"

    +^Steam users only have to take the red color, the blue color and the green color, (The blue color and the green color) are only for non steam users.......so what is the actual difference???

    Yes yes I know, It took me some time to figure out what he meant over there before my brain exploded, after that I gave up on the puzzle.

    Like I said, for some people certain things are just common sense, so you can deal with complicated stuff if your stupid with this by just putting your brain on zero and take raw orders like a computer from the instruction paper, but if these orders are not clear, just like a computer you will freeze, and crash.

    I am just like; is this all on purpose? or has none ever complained about it? or is it never tested by let's say "a dump person" to see if he can do it solid 100% without missing stuff in his game data?

    People who download this mod just have interest in and LOTR and medieval total war, everything else about it technical aspect will remain a mystery, just follow the paper of instructions you have no idea what your doing and it will be done.
    Censor Bypassing is against the rules on this site, I would advise you to follow the rules.

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    I apologise if you had issues with understanding my instructions from the Installation thread, since English is not my main language.

    Good thing I haven`t written it in Croatian, or had posted even pictures along the instructions..

    Now, from all this text you had wrote, you haven`t given us any useful info so we can try to help you to install TATW.

    If you would be so kind and answer these few questions, we could give you proper instructions, which anyone can understand.

    1) What Windows do you have?

    2) Is your M2TW a Steam version, or non Steam version ( retail, Amazon..)?

    3) Have you downloaded TATW 3.0 Part 1 and Part 2, and TATW 3.2 Patch ( TATW 3.1 Patch is needed only if you wish to play submods made for TATW 3.1 version, or, if you want to play TATW 3.1 version)?

    4) Where is your Medieval II Total War installed (tell us the correct destination path, it is usually in C: / Program Files(x86) )?
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    To be true, I had my problems too, and I installed both. Don't they need to be patched afterwards? Hmmm, Ngugi?

    And anyway, thanks for the Mod to the developer and to those who have taken care of it afterwards with no monetary interest.


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    Ok, so I will assume my former post still has not been reviewed and if something is wrong with it I prob get a note from the mod about what is wrong about it.

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    I posted a reply like 6 hours ago and said a mod will view it before it will be posted, but a picture of a medal coming in hot.
    If something was wrong with my post I surely get a notice from the mod about it right? or do we have a different culture pack over here?

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    I guess no problem will come from your post. Ngugi is the best moderator I have ever seen and this includes being overly easygoing.

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    I have just seen your post, they probably were reviewing it. I guess the mods wanted to check it carefully, I guess in case it was just trolling or false info. Now it's posted. Whereas mine was so evidently simple than needed no analisys.

    Let's not get carried away...

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    You are the very first i know of that can't understand simple instructions like this to be honest. The common people understand it pretty easily overall.

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    Probably the post was simply caught by the forum's anti-spam procedure. That happens when a relatively new member have links in their first posts, for example.

    I think it should be noted that because none of the original TATW developers are active anymore, the responsibility for providing any instructions on techical aspects falls solely on the community itself. Our local moderators, such as Ngugi here, have kindly gathered information from other threads (such as non-steam, mac) on the download section for the convenience of new players. I doubt that there will be as detailed instructions as in the example provided by you, unless someone from the community volunteers to write one. The local moderators might not have mac or even a steam version of the game so they likely are unable to do it themselves even if they wanted to.
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    @ DiamondOverlord
    I have no issues to understand that, TATW was one of the first mods I ever installed (v1.04, back in 2010) and I sat reading close every line of instruction and following them by the numbers, because it was all new to me as well.
    Currently, for two years, since the edits to the installation instructions were done, no one has pointed out that there are contradictions in the instructions concerning patch 3.1, so can't and won't feel guilty of it not being fixed earlier. However, I am glad to fix it when pointed out, to save everyone confusion and time, as that is of benefit to no one.

    So far folks have either drawn the conclusion that 3.1 is not needed and skipped it, or they installed both patches just to be safe, and either way they solved it and got the same end result.
    There is no issue with you pointing a contradiction out, that's on the opposit welcome, it's all a matter of the tone in which it is done.
    We don't get payed to do any of this, it's not our creation since the development team of TATW is no longer even active, we have no obligations to provide extended presentations and links on matters that may concern installations - but we're a friendly community and always do our best to aid each other and fellow players none the less. Thus a mere "Hello guys, I don't get this, it says both Y and X. What is it?" had made us help just as well, and much more willingly on our part, because in our volunteer efforts we do not earn the accusation we try to cripple peoples chance to enjoy the game or do not care for those with less experience than us. Every day around the year we, moderators, especially ElvenKind, and fellow players alike, strive to do the exact opposit.

    If the further instructions caused confusion it has been on specifics if so, and when people asked on anything specific, they got helped and answered.




    On your not displayed post, Finlander right should be


    @Joseignacio
    Haha

    No, 3.1 is not required to patch up to 3.2; it do not harm to install 3.1 and then 3.2 however, and some who use submods for 3.1 still needs it.
    Last edited by Ngugi; January 27, 2016 at 08:30 AM.

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    Ngugi, I think it's time to implement that service of "Technicians for installing Tatw at your home" we dreamed about ...
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    Chill, bro. We've all been there. Getting riled up is just going to lead to more frustration and more misunderstandings and mistakes.

    The installation is very simple.

    1) Download the necessary mod parts (doesn't matter where you put it, it can be installed directly from the Downloads folder).

    2) Run the .exe's, changing the paths to wherever your folder to Medieval 2 is. (Example: mine was installed to Steam_common_Medieval2_mods)

    And that's it. If you're using the Steam version, like I am, the only other thing you need to do is:

    1) Open Steam

    2) Right-click Medieval 2 in the Steam Library and select Properties

    3) On the first menu, select Launch Options and set it to end with the mod folder (ex: --features.mod=mods/Third_Age_3)

    It's honestly the easiest mod to install I've encountered, outside the Steam Workshop itself.

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    And then you encounter issues with VirtualStore and User Account Control.. then what?
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    Sons of *******, leave that poor, war torn country in peace.
    If you are a citizen of one of these countries, then DO NOT ask any help from me on these forums, since, in protest against this aggression by your governments, I do not provide assistance/help anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElvenKind View Post
    And then you encounter issues with VirtualStore and User Account Control.. then what?
    I, and the people I've helped install Third Age, have not encountered problems with either of those, so why don't you share with the class what you should do if those are issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nastrael View Post
    I, and the people I've helped install Third Age, have not encountered problems with either of those, so why don't you share with the class what you should do if those are issues?
    People make mistakes, and they also easily forget.. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...php?656808-CTD

    Disabled UAC when I first installed TA:TW
    The probable reason why you haven't encountered issues with VirtualStore and User Account Control?

    Class over.


    There is a difference between installation for Steam and non Steam Users, not to mention difference between installation for Windows XP and later Windows OSs.. but, since this thread is not about your issues, I'll wait for our newest TWC member, DiamondOverlord, to answer the questions asked if he wants to install TATW properly.
    Last edited by ElvenKind; January 27, 2016 at 05:04 PM.
    American, French, Israeli and British government's ILLEGAL aggression against the Syrian people, without any proof for chemical attacks in Douma, and without waiting for OPCW to conduct their investigation..
    Sons of *******, leave that poor, war torn country in peace.
    If you are a citizen of one of these countries, then DO NOT ask any help from me on these forums, since, in protest against this aggression by your governments, I do not provide assistance/help anymore.
    Let Syria be finally in peace.

    A video of false chemical attack in Douma, Syria, which led to Western illegal attacks.

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    Gr8 lesson, m8. 8/8

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    I had issues, including no longer being able to use my MTW2 afterwards, I remember I made an angry post, although not as angry as this.

    Something about: If you make a mod for free is something to be very thankful to you... unless that mode interferes with your existing software, then it can be in the category of "virus" ...

    Phew!

    At first I thought the installer had messed up with the game files and that's why I couldn't run MTW2 with my MTW2 CD, finally I realized that the reason was that it had overwrote a no-cd patch that I had had to install years ago when Securom (antipiracy software) made my original MTW2 CD so scratched it could not run anymore.

    Finally everything was solved.

    Hello all, this is my first post here.

    OK guys, this is a 147 pages thread so forgive me if somebody else asked, because I am not reading them all.

    I just installed the mod, and I had serious issues with Securom in spite of having a totally legal copy of the game, I am saying this in case the need of using a no-cd exe could have anything to do, although I don't think so.

    ...
    Hello, thanks for your quick reply and your welcome.

    ...

    I have totally legal Kingdom CDs and password, but the CD got scratched because of the huge number of times Securom access the CD (which was why Securom was mostly a failure) so, while I could usually play normally with kingdoms, after installing TATW and 1.5 patch, I could no longer play Kingdoms or TATW. I had to figure a way to solve this and I don't want to go through it again, but thanks.
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=#post14369408
    Last edited by Joseignacio; January 29, 2016 at 02:19 AM. Reason: weird forum rules about censorship, and making the text make sense again

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