That's too bad. They could use some sprucing up, if not an entire remodeling. Perhaps the funkiest part about them is their faces; something's a bit off there. That's especially considering the fact that most of your Hellenistic units look fantastically realistic, as opposed to the cartoon-like look of faces in units found in vanilla RTW and M2TW.
i rly like/hate hai nizak(armenian spearmen). while they are cheap, they can hold or even clearly defeat much more stronger(statisticaly) and more expensive units.
Of all the available Hellenistic cavalry units, which one is your favorite? I'd say mine are the Kleruchoi Agema (or Agema Klerouchon Hippeon) from Ptolemaic Egypt, if only because they look the most dashing out of the heavy lancers. If not them, I'd have to say the Hellenistic cataphracts (kataphractoi), given their ferocious and heavily armored appearance, if not because of their charge bonus!
Kleruchoi Agema:
Kleruchoi Agema and Kataphractoi riding together:
Kataphractoi:
By the way, I just added links in the OP to new Imgur album pics of the following units:
ASPIDIOTAI HIPPEIS:
http://imgur.com/URJ38pj
KLERUCHOI AGEMA:
https://imgur.com/a/Ckvg4
BAKTRIOI HIPPOTOXOTAI:
http://imgur.com/jvF6AtR
THRACIAN KATOIKOI:
https://imgur.com/a/5MBze
THRACIAN RHOMPAIAPHOROI
http://imgur.com/YohxNi9
THRACIAN CAVALRY
http://imgur.com/a/2W7Vt
LIBYAN SWORDSMEN
http://imgur.com/a/bulel
HYPERASPISTAI:
http://imgur.com/a/gxtt3
Last edited by Roma_Victrix; April 09, 2017 at 01:33 PM.
Lonchophoroi.
изишо је тад домаћин тмури
и сву штенад потрпо у џак.
Btw, am i the only one that can't spot the difference between the Agema Kleruchoi and the Lydian lancers?
This was my original thought when I looked at both of them, but then I did a thorough inspection. Turns out that while the bodies are actually the same models, the helmets, capes, and plumes are slightly different. For instance, the Kluerchoi Agema have purple-painted helmets while the Lydian Lancers have red-painted helmets. It's ironic that you've invoked this comparison, though, since the Lydian Lancers are actually a carbon copy of the Molosson Agema from Epirus! In addition to the differences I've already mentioned, I don' think the Lydian Lancers have one of the same body types as the Kleruchoi Agema, namely the one with a linothorax that has an iron strip plate kottybos stomach band. You can see an example of that if you look at my picture of Kleruchoi Agema, specifically the guy on the very far right who is somewhat obscured by the pop-up unit labeling text caused by hovering my mouse cursor over the unit. You can see how a couple of the guys behind him have the same armor type for their torso.
Last edited by Roma_Victrix; April 08, 2017 at 04:13 PM.
Some new pictures:
Kleruchoi Agema:
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Lydian Lancers and Molosson Agema riding side by side (just to show that there's not a difference between the two as far as appearance is concerned; the same model is used for both of them):
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Thracian Rhomphaiaphoroi
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Thorakitai Epilektoi:
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Thorakitai:
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Thracian Katoikoi:
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Baktrioi Hippotoxotai:
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Lonchophoroi Hippeis:
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Aspidiotai Hippeis:
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Euzonoi:
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Hyperaspistai:
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Libyan Swordsmen:
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Thracian Cavalry, Hippeis and Prodromoi:
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Thracian cavalry storming the breach in the walls of a Barbarian city:
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Last edited by Roma_Victrix; April 09, 2017 at 01:35 PM.
I've been playing an Epeiros-as-Syrakousai game recently, and I have to say some of the lower rungs of the Greek roster are brilliant. Hemithorakitai especially; they can harass from range, they can close and melee with levies or lower-tier line infantry, they can hold cavalry. Hoplitai Haploi are also really handy as long as you cover their flanks with steadier units (like Hemithorakitai).
Yeah, but you better wipe out the Romans and much of the Celtic factions soon after your Thorakitai reforms, otherwise the Romans get Marian units and the Celts get their heavy upgraded reforms.
Seriously, though, those Cohors Evocatae are solid monsters and the First Cohort, numbered 242 men, are really intimidating. The Polybian era Romans are scary enough, but the Triarii are now only what, 90 some men for each of their units?
Man, I think that all those sword-and-javelin infantry would look way better if they held their swords in right hands from the start, not only when they spend all of their missiles.
What unit I should use as medium Macedonian cavalry? Xystophoroi?
Also, what do you think about using hoplitai haploi as some sort of southern roman socii? Perhaps as some Lucanian spearmen?
Last edited by wermez; April 30, 2017 at 02:33 AM.
изишо је тад домаћин тмури
и сву штенад потрпо у џак.
As cavalry, use Raskumezenai. They're abundant enough in mercenary pools, and you can get them in regular recruitment too in some places. After Thorakitai reform, you also might want to use Lonchophoroi Hippeis if you really want to roleplay with Macedonian cavalry, but oddly they are both more expensive and slightly inferior.
I have a question about the Celtic armor upgrades. What is it they get exactly? I tried searching in the EDU and other files for how it changes their unit stats but I couldn't find anything. Also, while the Celts get their reforms, it seems like the Iberian elites just stay the same throughout the game, and their stats are rather poor for an elite unit to begin with.
They get a +1 armor boost each upgrade.
Well now, that's interesting. Why doesn't that show in the stats?
No bloody clue why CA wouldn't have made it so that it accurately displays on the unit info card, but as the guy who determined it, here's how we came to that conclusion (note that we didn't exactly determine how much it added, but since the other theory we'd found on the matter was that it would be +2.5 each, that's what we've assumed since).
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Furthermore, I think the Armenian Cataphracts ought to be rated highly.
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Quite odd. Well, that makes armor upgrades even more joyful events
One little thing I remember; one day I decided to test Polybian equites vs Lybo-phoenician horseman. Difficulity was medium; both units charged and fought until Lybo-phoenicians run away. Equites were considerably stronger. Is that normal?
изишо је тад домаћин тмури
и сву штенад потрпо у џак.