Not Historically accurate

[Vihuri]

Why is the settlement in Finland Helsinki? It was founded in 1550, good time after M2TW ends. Were the developers too busy making gloves of peasants look realistic that they didnt put any attention to such insignificant things as settlements in the heck of the woods that is Finland? More appropriate settlement would be Turku which was founded in 13th century but the area had quite "large" population well before it.

[RusskiSoldat]

Lots of cities exist that shouldn't.
Moscow was founded in 1147.

[scottishranger]

Oslo in Norway did not exist either

It was founded in c. 1048, and it was named Christiania then.

[Amroth]

Archaeological findings indicate settlement in the area of Oslo from before 1000 (though Snorre dates it to 1048), and it was named Christiania after the devastating fire of 1624, by King Christian IV of Denmark-Norway. So Oslo is correct.

[Kopijeger]

Oslo in Norway did not exist either

It was founded in c. 1048, and it was named Christiania then.

No it EDIT was not! It was renamed Christiania in 1624 after it burned down and was rebuilt. Christian 4. was vain enough to name it after himself. Though the most important settlement during this time was Bergen, founded in 1070, capital until 1299 and the largest town in the country until the 1830s. Therefore it would be preferable to have the city of "Bjørgvin" instead of the castle of Oslo in the norwegian province.

Please, calm down.

[Baldrick]

I hear Captain Holgren will be a playable Samurai general unit in Shogun TotalWar

Seriously though even with the historical inaccuracies I love this game. But I bet there will be another slew of realism mods to fill the void.

[Hansa]

No it EDIT was not! It was renamed Christiania in 1624 after it burned down and was rebuilt. Christian 4. was vain enough to name it after himself. Though the most important settlement during this time was Bergen, founded in 1070, capital until 1299 and the largest town in the country until the 1830s. Therefore it would be preferable to have the city of "Bjørgvin" instead of the castle of Oslo in the norwegian province.

Please, calm down.

Absolutely utterly correct. Bjørgvin (Bergen) was the most important city in Scandinavia in the middle ages (the biggest). Though the capital of Norway waried according to preferances between Bergen, Oslo, Trondheim (Nidaros) and possibly Tønsberg (Thunsberg). Since Bergen was the most important city in Norway in the period, I believe that it should be capital, eventually Nidaros (which was the capital in 1080, is unfortunately located north of the northernmost part of the vanilla map). Bergen should be a city though, Oslo is fine as a castle, perhaps that was a priority for CA?

[Janissary]

I think we have all noticed alot of things that are not history accurate, but still this game kicks ass! Anyway i have noticed somethings that are ridicliouse tough.

- Byzantium Emperors carrying English names?!
- The Turks who look like arabs?! The Turks were far-east orinitated and buddists before they were converted into the Islam. And since The Ottomans controlled alot of areas in the balkan and byzantium areas they had mengled alot with the European people and they had gotten whiter and whiter. It even got so drastic that almost all Sultans were European at one point, since in the Islam it is forbidden to have muslims as slaves. The harrems were filled up with European woman who took Turkish names after they became wives of the Sultan. A few very famouse Sultan wifes: "Roxellana" "Holofiria". Holorifia was the mother of Murat I 3rd sultan of the Ottoman Empire. And if you look at the Seljuk Turks who were before the Ottomans those people were simply Asians. Didn't look like arabs AT ALL.
- The Mongols particaping in the jihads right after they have entered the "known" world?! I know that most of the mongols were converted into the Islam, but that was way later. The same goes for the timuruds?!
- Portugees units are the same as the Spanish, while they had different units

NOTE: I love this game, just pointing these things out if anybody has noticed it also.

[Tadzreuli]

where is the Kingdom of Georgia? one of them strongest feodal kingdom in Europe and in near east region???? isn't even powerfull Georgian military units in the Game !!!

you heard about battle of Didgori (1121), battle of Sahkor (1196) and battle of Basiani (1203), when Georgian army crushed the Turks and muslims coalition huge armyes???

you heard about kingd David IV Bagrationi (nickname: "the restorer")? you heard about the Bagrationi royal dinasty, the oldest and longer (more 1000 year Georgian royal diansty of Bagrationi rulled Kingdom of Georgia in 888-1801) dinasty in Europe???

I love this game too, but it's verry much uncorrect, it's not historycal accurate !

[Salil]

you heard about battle of Didgori (1121), battle of Sahkor (1196) and battle of Basiani (1203), when Georgian army crushed the Turks and muslims coalition huge armyes???

you heard about kingd David IV Bagrationi (nickname: "the restorer")? you heard about the Bagrationi royal dinasty, the oldest and longer (more 1000 year Georgian royal diansty of Bagrationi rulled Kingdom of Georgia in 888-1801) dinasty in Europe???

actually I haven't

[murat can]

actually I haven't

lol me neither..


but yea, as a turk, i really didnt like arab lookin generals for turks, its a minor thing but it was disturbing.. lol

[Scar Face]

where is the Kingdom of Georgia? one of them strongest feodal kingdom in Europe and in near east region???? isn't even powerfull Georgian military units in the Game !!!

you heard about battle of Didgori (1121), battle of Sahkor (1196) and battle of Basiani (1203), when Georgian army crushed the Turks and muslims coalition huge armyes???

you heard about kingd David IV Bagrationi (nickname: "the restorer")? you heard about the Bagrationi royal dinasty, the oldest and longer (more 1000 year Georgian royal diansty of Bagrationi rulled Kingdom of Georgia in 888-1801) dinasty in Europe???

I love this game too, but it's verry much uncorrect, it's not historycal accurate !

Georgia was not, by far, the strongest fuedal kingdom in Europe. Hell, Georgia isn't even in Europe. It was a weak state, lucky. But relativly weak. It was a buffer to the Seljuks, nothing more. They cant put in every kingdom/Duchy, that did well against a certain enemy. There are only so many teams in this game. If you want a game that has every nation, no matter how obscure, Check out Paradox. This is CA though, only the strongest kingdoms stay around.

[Tadzreuli]

Georgia was not, by far, the strongest fuedal kingdom in Europe. Hell, Georgia isn't even in Europe. It was a weak state, lucky. But relativly weak. It was a buffer to the Seljuks, nothing more. They cant put in every kingdom/Duchy, that did well against a certain enemy. There are only so many teams in this game. If you want a game that has every nation, no matter how obscure, Check out Paradox. This is CA though, only the strongest kingdoms stay around.

ok, lets give me some historycal examples, when smal army defeated great coalition army ! it was one them famous victory Georgian army , in 1121 Georgian greatest king David iV Bagrationi with 56 000 Georgian army defeated 400 000 turkish coalition Army(battle of Didggori), in 1196 ad Georgian army ((70 000) defeated atabag of Ganja (150 000) (battle of Shamkor), in 1203 ad Georgian army (80 000) defeated Sultan of Rume's army (200 000) (battle of Basiani). . . . .

and you sad Georgian kingdom was weak and small??? dude

Kingdom of Georgia (XI-XIII, XIV) including whole Caucasus, part of Asia minor and even nort-west Iran ....
read more history about east contryes !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Georgian_battles

[murat can]

ok, lets give me some historycal examples, when smal army defeated great coalition army ! it was one them famous victory Georgian army , in 1121 Georgian greatest king David iV Bagrationi with 56 000 Georgian army defeated 400 000 turkish coalition Army(battle of Didggori), in 1196 ad Georgian army ((70 000) defeated atabag of Ganja (150 000) (battle of Shamkor), in 1203 ad Georgian army (80 000) defeated Sultan of Rume's army (200 000) (battle of Basiani). . . . .

and you sad Georgian kingdom was weak and small??? dude

Kingdom of Georgia (XI-XIII, XIV) including whole Caucasus, part of Asia minor and even nort-west Iran ....
read more history about east contryes !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28country%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Georgian_battles

Just Because They won couple of battles does not make them the greatest power in europe,not europe because Georgia is not in Europe to begin with. but they were not a power to be recognized by the West. i would say it if they counquered major city like constantinople. and we all know ( wiki says it too) 400000 turkish army is exagirated "A number of the Seljuk army (400,000-800,000) given in the contemporary Georgian, European and Armenian chronicles seems to be exaggerated" quoting wiki..

so leaving the history aside there are historical inaccuracies, The game is Great, with couple of mods, It will be flawless

[Dora190]

where is the Kingdom of Georgia? one of them strongest feodal kingdom in Europe and in near east region???? isn't even powerfull Georgian military units in the Game !!!

you heard about battle of Didgori (1121), battle of Sahkor (1196) and battle of Basiani (1203), when Georgian army crushed the Turks and muslims coalition huge armyes???

you heard about kingd David IV Bagrationi (nickname: "the restorer")? you heard about the Bagrationi royal dinasty, the oldest and longer (more 1000 year Georgian royal diansty of Bagrationi rulled Kingdom of Georgia in 888-1801) dinasty in Europe???

I love this game too, but it's verry much uncorrect, it's not historycal accurate !

From 1008 to 1683 (Up until 1245 after which they were more interested in each other than fighting anyone else). They named one fort "Kiss my backside" to commemorate a Turkish summons, and had 'Sword of the messiah' inscribed on their coinage in arabic. They also escorted pilgrims to Jerusalem without paying tribute and dared local islamic lords to attack them.

Oh yeah the game needs them, they were 'mental!'

[Tadzreuli]

From 1008 to 1683 (Up until 1245 after which they were more interested in each other than fighting anyone else). They named one fort "Kiss my backside" to commemorate a Turkish summons, and had 'Sword of the messiah' inscribed on their coinage in arabic. They also escorted pilgrims to Jerusalem without paying tribute and dared local islamic lords to attack them.

Oh yeah the game needs them, they were 'mental!'

yeh

[a8686]

And why don't Transylvanian Pesants have the "Place Stakes" ability???

Haha

[lawngnome]

And why don't Transylvanian Pesants have the "Place Stakes" ability???

Haha

Haha, good one

[Hedniskhjäertad]

You know, you guys ask too much. Yes, it has it's mistakes. But CA never promised an recreation of the 'medieval' world in a computer. If they did a 100% accurate version, you guys would be complaining about how the tyrannical CA didn't let you forge your own history.

Relax, it's a game. Not a documentary.

[wilpuri]

You know, you guys ask too much. Yes, it has it's mistakes. But CA never promised an recreation of the 'medieval' world in a computer. If they did a 100% accurate version, you guys would be complaining about how the tyrannical CA didn't let you forge your own history.

Relax, it's a game. Not a documentary.

What is it about historical accuracy, that is so difficult to understand? It doesn't mean that everything will follow historical events, it means that the starting positions, the settlements, the units and the rest is realistic, based on reality. You are still free to make your own choices. Just because the English and the French had the 100 year war doesn't mean you have to. But you can still use the same units from the same provinces, etc...