Nomad archer

**Mietek88** · December 07, 2015, 03:29 PM

Is it normal for nomadic horse archers kill all my units even in the woods?

I understand free space, but the forest?

**KAM 2150** · December 07, 2015, 03:54 PM

I am not even sure if this engine provies cover from woods to be honest.

**Lord Dakier** · December 08, 2015, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by KAM 2150

I am not even sure if this engine provies cover from woods to be honest.

I remember this was the case in Empire Total War with bullets. Remember being severely outnumbered and having a force in the woodlands who held out for a longer than before routing. Pretty sure this still applies to missile weapons. In terms of hand-combat it's only cavalry who suffer the penalties now.

**Augustusng** · December 07, 2015, 04:08 PM

I think it does. I'm not sure which table those values are in... terrain maybe?

**KAM 2150** · December 07, 2015, 04:15 PM

There are some stuff regarding cover in kv_rules but those are I think leftover from Empire and Napoleon where there was actual cover system behind small walls etc.

**JCB206** · December 07, 2015, 07:10 PM

I think woods give some cover...but hiding from Horse archers isn't the way to beat them. But I don't know if you were asking how to counter them.

**zonks40** · December 07, 2015, 07:53 PM

From what I remember in a statement made by CA, trees do give cover, apparently you can see the arrows sticking in the tree's, I'd have to take more notice next time I'm in a game to confirm it.

Edit....
Found it.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted
Do forests provide cover against missiles?
We do collision detection with missiles, so they can collide with trees and be blocked so being in a forest can help provide cover against missile fire.

**zonks40** · December 08, 2015, 07:53 PM

Pretty sure this still applies to missile weapons

Post above yours.

Originally Posted by Jack Lusted

Do forests provide cover against missiles?
We do collision detection with missiles, so they can collide with trees and be blocked so being in a forest can help provide cover against missile fire.

**Alfonzo over Innsmouths** · December 08, 2015, 08:11 PM

Can't you just add an effect for forest terrain? For instance, I remember seeing a modification where water not only slowed you down, but effected charge bonus and fatigue. Couldn't you just up missile-block chance when in forest?

**KAM 2150** · December 09, 2015, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Alfonzo over Innsmouths

Can't you just add an effect for forest terrain? For instance, I remember seeing a modification where water not only slowed you down, but effected charge bonus and fatigue. Couldn't you just up missile-block chance when in forest?

If that mod didn't add the effect of missile block chance then I guess you can't pick it. I think when I read through that mod long time ago, creator wanted to have more effects but he could only change speed and stuff. Anyway, I have no clue how to edit those things so I will check, but I think you can't add missile block chance. Plus, if the system works like in Shogun 2, then arrows are blocked by tree models, if forest is not dense enough, then arrows will have nothing to block them, hence there is no reason to give that much more cover.

**zonks40** · December 09, 2015, 12:47 AM

I give up, I feel so sorry for the DEI team, I think we need the option to type in braille as half these people are blind.

**FlashHeart07** · December 09, 2015, 06:23 AM

But if a statement from CA (quote given by zonks40) claims that trees do provide cover then why discuss a submod to add missile block chance?

**0N3** · December 09, 2015, 08:08 AM

But do trees block missiles being shot out of a forest, or just in?

**FlashHeart07** · December 09, 2015, 08:13 AM

If the engine is able to do collision detection with missiles, my guess would be that it works for both sides. As I see it, collision detection just detects whether there is an object in the line of fire and if so, the projectile is cancelled.