The Last Kingdoms

[PhilipO'Hayda]

Deep down we all want to see it happen, not only has the new TV show just kicked off on BBC but we all have a taste for danova's mod back in 2011 for Medieval 2 on the Last Kingdoms. So this is one DLC I would 100% love to see next, or perhaps any DLC on the British Isles and that little bit of North-West Europe to play with for modders. Whats people's thoughts and views??

[EmperorBatman999]

Viking Forefathers ruined that idea already because there would be overlap between two DLCs, in this case dealing with the Vikings.

With that said, the Charlemagne leak does promise something similar if it materializes, with a detailed British Isles divided into the many Irish, Welsh, and English petty kingdoms. One could play the Danes and invade the British Isles that way.

CA has also been more willing to explore Fantasy as seen with Warhammer, so it may be possible that a King Arthur campaign might come around (although very slight). Still, the final DLC in the Steam DB is code named "Corgi," and Corgis are Welsh just like King Arthur and his Britons, so it might not be as unlikely as one might first think. What we would get with Arthur though is a full map of the British Isles (and maybe some of Frankia and Britanny), which could then be adapted by creative modders to the 860s and make the Great Heathen Army from Denmark into a horde faction with the ability to settle.

[Matamoros]

Well according to this guy (Legate) we can forget Charlemagne or any campaign dlc:

there is no Charlemagne DLC planned
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?700199-Charlemagne-DLC-Incoming/page21


I don't know if this is true or not, and CA doesn't even deny or confirm it. The Charlemagne hype snowball is running since one month at least and it's very sad that we are not getting it, the closest thing to Medieval 3 we can get in a very, very, very long time.
We are only getting updates of Warcraft TW and Arena TW, and Attila is abandoned it seems.

Bad move.

[EmperorBatman999]

That is certainly a possibility but I am still suspicious of the anonymity as he did not name any specific sources. It is still up in the air, for all intents and purposes.

[Abdülmecid I]

Well, there's no reason for CA not to deny the rumors of Charlemagne DLC. Actually, there is a very good reason to do that, as Charlemagne being replaced by a less popular DLC, like the Slavs for example, will make their customers very disappointed and that's going to affect their sales.

Viking Forefathers ruined that idea already because there would be overlap between two DLCs, in this case dealing with the Vikings.

That's not a problem for CA. SPARTA! was the first and the last DLC for R2, not to mention that a new version of the same game is labelled as the "Spartan Edition".

[Fanest]

Why does this require new thread when again ur talking about leaked Charlemagne DLC? On the sidenote i hope to never see this DLC, reasons why are explained on the first 3 pages of Charlemagne DLC thread.

[EmperorBatman999]

Why does this require new thread when again ur talking about leaked Charlemagne DLC? On the sidenote i hope to never see this DLC, reasons why are explained on the first 3 pages of Charlemagne DLC thread.

Because the Charlemagne DLC (or at least what we know about what is leaked) points out some overlap with the subject of Vikings, who were just emerging around the time of Charlemagne. Towards the later end of Charles's life, he was particularly concerned with Viking activities and established measures to guard the coast of his empire. There is even a (possibly made-up) report that Charlemagne personally witnessed a Viking raid when staying over at a town in southern France, chronicled by his biographer.

The other alternative would be an actual British Isles-only campaign a la Viking Invasion for Medieval I or Britannia for Medieval II, but if people think this "Germanocentrism" thing is bad (I think this is an outrageous accusation myself and the fantasy held by some people here have that the developers are fixated by some trans-Western European conspiracy to belittle the East is very immature), then CA would be accused of outright nationalism by focusing only on the British Isles.

[Darios]

...but if people think this "Germanocentrism" thing is bad (I think this is an outrageous accusation myself and the fantasy held by some people here have that the developers are fixated by some trans-Western European conspiracy to belittle the East is very immature), then CA would be accused of outright nationalism by focusing only on the British Isles.

I do not believe that there are any conspiracies or whatever, more just a lack of knowledge and a little bit of ignorance that the East was unimportant or irrelevant. I remember the Medieval 2 mod - Magyar mod. It is gorgeous and Hungary is presented in beautiful rich detail with some of the most amazing units that you'll ever see in a Medieval 2 mod. Problem is, you move one region east of Hungary and the rest of the game is empty. Moldova and Wallachia are referred to on the campaign map as - "Cuman Camp 1" and "Cuman Camp 2" and that led to one of those famous Hungarian-Romanian flame wars on TWC where Hungarians said that early medieval Romanians have no history because they did not write it down while Romanians accused the Hungarian modders of ignoring secondary sources and archaeology. It's really one of those things....

I feel that Attila sorta does that as well. Western Europe is saturated with tons of beautifully created factions with tons of unique units while everything East of Germania is made up of Hunnic or Germanic clones with faction names that are well outside the game's time frame (Roxolani, Budini, Bastarnae <-- Belong in Rome 2's period) (Magyars <-- 9th century AD). While I am hoping that CA will come around and fix this, imagine how me and others who care about this might feel to know that the next DLC is about the most stereotypical thing one can think of for this period - Charlemagne and VIKINGS! (especially as the Franks and Vikings are already well done playable factions in the Grand Campaign...so instead of CA creating new content for the game, we're getting more copy/paste scenarios.)

[PhilipO'Hayda]

hah thats Charlemagne DLC am talking about the British Isles here, but if the Charlemagne DLC is true hopefully will see the real power house in Ireland with the Uí Néill.

[craziii]

I think it is not happening precisely because it is very similar to medieval 3. because CA wants to release m3 as it's own game, not a dlc.

[PhilipO'Hayda]

If am not wrong CA are British,SO! that should say it all, But! Ireland is right next door and when the game was first let out there was a good few bits missing from the Irish and even the wrong name for both factions and the Irish high King. Thank god for mods like the Irish have landed and full reskin mods. It is very funny that top Historians work for CA yet it is the moders that have to fix so many errors with the games.

[Charerg]

I really doubt CA has many "top historians" in their payroll. The main reason that Rome II ramped up the historic accuracy is because the community created great mods like Europa Barbarorum for Rome I, and if CA had sticked to their Rome I style of "historical accuracy", it would have looked silly in comparison to EB. Hence, CA were kind of forced to put in more effort for Rome II.

Unfortunately, there isn't a mod with comparable popularity to EB for the Late Roman era, so CA didn't have as good of a "source of inspiration" for Attila. Although I guess it's a bit more accurate than Barbarian Invasion overall, so they did put some effort into it. Still, a lot of the stuff like the appearance of "the Barbarians" (or the Sassanid "pyjama party") is a bit off the mark.

[PhilipO'Hayda]

This look's like a good list of "top historians", Mike Loads even boasted about how much work we put in to Rome 2. saying that he was shocked that so much work had to be put in to a game

[PointOfViewGun]

This would make a great campaign DLC. Can't remember of a past campaign DLC that covered British Isles precisely.

[EmperorBatman999]

This would make a great campaign DLC. Can't remember of a past campaign DLC that covered British Isles precisely.

There was Britannia for Medieval II Kingdoms and Viking Invasion for Medieval I. I'm actually rather disappointed Britannia was about William Wallace rather than the Viking Age, though they did attempt to depict Norway as a Viking invasion of sorts.

[Imperator Artorius]

There was Britannia for Medieval II Kingdoms and Viking Invasion for Medieval I. I'm actually rather disappointed Britannia was about William Wallace rather than the Viking Age, though they did attempt to depict Norway as a Viking invasion of sorts.

I would like to see a Viking Invasion remake, albeit 2 shieldwalls going to head to head would look a bit weird in Attila with how combat plays out aesthetically imo.

[PhilipO'Hayda]

It would be big money, the Viking DLC did bring in big money with the Vikings TV show coming out at the same time.

[Sharpe]

Would love this.

Love Vikings the TV show too.


Angles! Saxons! Brits! Scots! Irish! Welsh! Danes! Norge!

Would be amazing.

Hopefully the Saxons wouldn't be a copy paste of the GC Saxons, but a unique faction showing the assimilation and rule over the Romano/Celto-Britons and their influences, and the Saxons/Angles as cultural hegmonists. One thing that always bugs me is people thinking Saxons on the mainland were the same people as the Anglo-Saxons -_-