DEI 1.1 CAI LOGIC WHAT NEW ???

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

So with latest update for DEI 1.1 the long awaited version its been promised to new cai logic, since i myself have hobby study the CAI behaviour .

Fact 1

Dei AI logic divide into 3 personality
1.Minor
2.Major
3.Rome

Both 3 have the same basic element you can found lots of similiarity between the AI logic. However each have different purpouse

Minor serve its purpouse to heavily attack all Enemy Settlement , while Major and Rome try to properly defense its own teritory. Basicly major and rome higher purpouse to defense its region and expand properly

Fact 2

Its seem the AI Core was very similiar , added some little modification like value, however the composition is quite a match, hehehehe

Major

Minor

Rome

Better Aggresive CAI V 3.3

Now lets me quote some of the post couple of this fine gentlement made early before 1.1 is alive

And with time DeI will also have a more aggressive AI. So that the submod wont be needed

Ouch, that hurt

I know since Im part of the team. But the fact that DeI will create its own version somewhat based on this Independent mod is true.

Hmm so the Independent Mod like a fair game to bigger mod,not only its dont require any permission but its also so proud of it, wonderfull

That will most likely be Litharion and Dresden. Though many of the guys on the team are able to mod different stuff quite well

Can two of this fine gentlement able to give me some good explanation ? Realy loved to hear it. Dont worry i dont bite

Fact 3
Always remember your own promise, especially if was been personally writen by Team mod Leader itself



And after 1.1 release i can see you guys still not show me some token of good faith, despite its more then early work rather latest work. Am i right



How about the other credit pages



I barely know very little about ABH its mod and him personally, but at least Ancient Empires Teams have some decency regarding using other people work.



Well i dont think its must be sweet like this always but at least this ABH guys at least fullfill his own promise, regardless the mod current state release or not

Ancient Empires Credits Lists

I guess that its all, this is stuff that can be avoids very early, i never even once made thread in DEI FORUM and now i done it

You know my mod support multi platform, since its my goals to made Universal CAI mod is possible, so someday even people just play original vanilla game itself with zero graphic mod and stuff, pure barebone vanilla. He can say Vanilla campaign experience is very good. And when he combine with other mod, say radious, wrath of gods, Vae Victis,Surena Epic and many other mod, that will come later . They still get same challenge experience and fun.

I do like DEI mod if not why i must spent extra time to create separate version for it. However please respect the other modder, especially if you made promise to him, despite he or she coming from Third Country and not fluent in English.

In the beginning i dont mind at all, if my work either used or adopted and modify to be used as Dei mod parts. However without proper credits especially the one you already promised by team mod leader itself , its mean heavy insult and broken my early trust. Added with negative opinion early post made before, only added my distrust and forced me to made public thread.

You guys can write me some explanation how this happens, i still have some little trust for DEI team member, especially Dresden since he the main reason i agree in the beginning. Since i came with peace, i hope we can settle this problem with civil ways and ended with shaken both hand.Remember i also DEI fans in the beginning.However is the discussion is became not healthy then i forced to take more extreme step.

[FlashHeart07]

Have you tried writing to Dresden before posting this on the main forum. As a member of the development team I have access to our forum where you have been mentioned several times for your work with the CAI. Could it possible be that Dresden have just forgotten to credit you?

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

I just hope this is only simple missunderstanding. Since i came with civil attitude, i wish be treated with the same and civil behaviour also. Good day

[FlashHeart07]

I was civil but I would just think that any disputes with the team regarding not being credited for your work would be a matter between you and Dresden and not for the entire forum.

[Mattias Tannhäuser]

I was civil but I would just think that any disputes with the team regarding not being credited for your work would be a matter between you and Dresden and not for the entire forum.

You have to understand, this is not the first time that Junaidi83 must claim for credit for his work

[Dresden]

You have to understand, this is not the first time that Junaidi83 must claim for credit for his work

I also hope that he understands that as a very large overhaul there are a million + 1 things to do for a release like this, so it was a simple mistake. I would have hoped we could have handled this by PM, I was unable to get on the website today until just now. But, I have fixed the missing credits.

[KAM 2150]

Judging by the titanic work that Dresden does daily I would not be surprised that he missed it.


You don't wanna know how many times in the past I wondered why some latest test changes do not have my last battle changes and even use stuff from 2 patches earlier xD I stated that if I will see once again vanilla entity entries, I will murder someone for it ; P

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Hey guys

As a fun of both mods I sure hope this is just a misunderstanding and nothing else...
I also believe Dresden is one of the most respectful and trustworthy modders around and Junaidi sure deserves credit as expected for his talented work...

[Dresden]

Hey, this was indeed a complete oversight on my part. We used some of your older values from your mod packs awhile ago, since we were not allowed to use a lot of the cool newer features you had that had been implemented by Vae Victus.

I had a pack that I had used as a base from earlier this year with some of your values that we then worked from to get to what values we have now and our own task groups.

Anyway, long story short, I completely forgot to list your credit, somehow it got cut off when I copy/pasted my workflow from my 1.1 notes. I will correct this now and hope that you understand this was a mistake on my part and not something we were trying to hide in any way.

Edit - Credit has been added to both the release thread and the DeI credits page. I will also make a post in the release thread noting that credit. Once again, I am really sorry Juan, as I have the utmost respect for your mods and as a modder. Having so much to do for 1.1's release, I missed this one!

[FlashHeart07]

And still he would be able to write to Dresden personally instead of writing it in a public thread. I still highly disagree with his way of handling a simple misunderstanding but I will keep my opinion to myself as this matter have been solved, though juanid didnt help in a good way

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Hey, this was indeed a complete oversight on my part. We used some of your older values from your mod packs awhile ago, since we were not allowed to use a lot of the cool newer features you had that had been implemented by Vae Victus.

I had a pack that I had used as a base from earlier this year with some of your values that we then worked from to get to what values we have now and our own task groups.

Anyway, long story short, I completely forgot to list your credit, somehow it got cut off when I copy/pasted my workflow from my 1.1 notes. I will correct this now and hope that you understand this was a mistake on my part and not something we were trying to hide in any way.

Edit - Credit has been added to both the release thread and the DeI credits page. I will also make a post in the release thread noting that credit. Once again, I am really sorry Juan, as I have the utmost respect for your mods and as a modder. Having so much to do for 1.1's release, I missed this one!

Very well, at least formal apologize will work for me, i will accept that. I can understand that this was simply a mistake. Very well then, try to be more carefull next time. You do understand stuff like this is very sensitive. I never ask any donation for my work, however common courtesy between modder is more valued to me then money.

You have to understand, this is not the first time that Junaidi83 must claim for credit for his work

That correct. This is not my first rodeo

And still he would be able to write to Dresden personally instead of writing it in a public thread. I still highly disagree with his way of handling a simple misunderstanding but I will keep my opinion to myself as this matter have been solved, though juanid didnt help in a good way

Remember the early post you made clearly show ill intention toward my work, So basicly neither your post help DEI current situation.

I think he posted it here as kind of a subtle cry for attention tbh. I dont care if he was civil and polite (and correct!) about it. There was no need for a public post except to name and shame the DEI team.

So for that reason alone, you lose respect from me.

Try remember AIO mods, just one simple mistake, and kaboom. Gone 2 years works,surely i still believe Sir Toon only made simple mistake. And i discuss it in very polite manner here without any ill intention. I dont need to remind Dresden again, since he personally write the pm itself. If modder that already give his/her permission to utilize his work need to beg so his/her name put into credit list, seem very wrong attitude in my personal opinion.

That it, any DEI local moderator can lock this thread now, we dont need this thread became flame thread. I just hope next time DEI team can be more carefull, not every modder want to make civil approach like this.

[Daergar]

Wow, I'm too lazy, I would have sent a pm with "Forgotten me?" instead of constructing that monstrosity of a post. Nice that it got cleared up...

[Mattias Tannhäuser]

I believe that Junaidi83 had no bad intentions, especially in such a festive day as the release of DEI 1.1, but a certain impatience is justified.

[Dresden]

I believe that Junaidi83 had no bad intentions, especially in such a festive day as the release of DEI 1.1, but a certain impatience is justified.

Understood. And, as I said, if I had been on earlier I could have handled it sooner. We are in different time zones and I was unexpectedly busy today. Hopefully there are no hard feelings about the subject.

[Dead*Man*Wilson]

I believe that Junaidi83 had no bad intentions, especially in such a festive day as the release of DEI 1.1, but a certain impatience is justified.

We're all big boys here; we can fight our own battles. Especially when the dispute stems from an honest mistake.

[FlashHeart07]

Still it could have been handeld in a more professional way.
But we wont get any further discussing this. Lets agree to disagree and juanid got what he wanted

[Miri82]

He could have done with less noise.

Not that he has had what he wanted, if not what he deserved.
Moving on, DEI 1.1 is one of the best experiences, if not the best I've ever had playing rome total war 2 .

[Nachopz]

He could have done with less noise.

Not that he has had what he wanted, if not what he deserved.

100% agree

[Drakeb22]

Whenever you see excellent CAI in action you can bet Junaidi83's work is involved or used as a inspiration somewhere. I'm glad this was just a oversight so lets not let it escalate.

Dresdan gave credit when he made the hardcore mod which I think he incorpated partially into the main overhaul so it does lend itself to being a mistake as opposed to anything malicious.

[Tyso3]

I think he posted it here as kind of a subtle cry for attention tbh. I dont care if he was civil and polite (and correct!) about it. There was no need for a public post except to name and shame the DEI team.

So for that reason alone, you lose respect from me.