I am looking for a small but strong faction to play in late era campaign. Sould have around 2 up to 5 cities in the beginning but should be fun and have good troops...
Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
I am looking for a small but strong faction to play in late era campaign. Sould have around 2 up to 5 cities in the beginning but should be fun and have good troops...
Senator
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
England, Scotland, Teutonic Knights, Norway, Denmark, and Sicily off the top of my head.
The Mongols technically only start off with one settlement, but they're way too easy
Civis
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Your forgot the Crusader States
5 settlements, strong/unique units and a huge challenge (=fun)
Senator
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Overall the Crusader States aren't strong at the start of late-game. They're broke and have no real trading options, and need to stabilize their Christian population before your cities can grow.
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
I'm having fun in SSHIP with Portugal. Not sure if they are still round in vanilla 6.4.
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
What do you think about Teutonics, Lithuania and Leon? Or one of the italian factions?
Another question: What does real recruitment really do?
Senator
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Portugal's in (very underrated faction), but it's pretty difficult in the beginning late game.Originally Posted by Zanze
Venice is strong, possibly one of the easiest factions to play, same with Sicily though they have the Moors to deal with. Genoa is an interesting campaign late game, as you have both a spot in Italy and the Black Sea so I'd suggest playing as them if you want a decent enough challenge.
Leon is pretty easy once you kick the Moors out of Spain, they're much more powerful than Portugal and Aragon. Lithuania late game is tough early on, but interesting all the same as you have so many options on how to expand. Teutonic Knights have powerful units but start off with more of an economic challenge and clearing your regions up of 3 bandit armies. Like Lithuania, you have many options on how to expand and who to ally with; they're personally one of my favorite Total War factions of all time, mods included.
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Can you give me some tips on the teutonics?
How can I get good money fast? Which sides should I ally with and which ones attack early?
Which are their strongest units in the beginning of late era campaign?
How does your standard army look like?
Last edited by Sloty; October 27, 2015 at 08:41 AM.
Senator
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
First things first, I'd advise against double posting. The M2TW sections are a bit slow ever since Rome 2 and Atilla came out, but be patient
Be prepared because you're going to start off pretty broke. To get money, build farms and get trade rights with everyone close by (you don't start out at war with Lituania, so get some extra income). You also want to clear those rebel armies in your regions, so make an army with all your crusader units (they're expensive to maintain and you can't retrain them), and use them as the most effective fodder you've ever seen. At the same time get a small army to take Visby, which is the island between you and Sweden. It's a nice little money maker compared to your other settlements, and it's rarely invaded (for fun I usually rename it "The Teutonic Isle").
After you're done clearing out bandits, you have a lot of options. Your strongest units will be Rittenbruders, Christ Knights, Prussian Swordsmen, and Order Sergeants. Lithuania and the Rus are usually pretty lightly armored, while Denmark and Poland are closer to you in army composition. I almost always ally with Poland and Denmark, but it all depends on what type of game you want to play. Denmark is a good ally to have as they act as a buffer against Novgorod, while allying with Poland protects your Western flank. On the flip side, you can take out the one Danish province in the Baltic and ally with Novgorod to quickly crush Lithuania and move into either Poland or Kiev.
My standard army (for facing Lithuania) consists of a General, at least 4-5 Archers (the professional unit, no militia or levy), two Christ Knights, 3-4 Knechten, and the rest infantry with plenty of spears, but also some Prussian Axemen/Swordsmen to flank enemy infantry.
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Not one? Please some suggestions!!!
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
So which country would you go to war with first? Or which rebbels would you take early?
Senator
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
No I mean there are rebel armies just hanging out and chilling in your territories. Use up your Crusader units (as fodder in a bigger stack) to kill them unless you think the one near the Lithuania can be used as a buffer (it has on occasion for me, but don't trust it). The only rebel settlement I would take early on is Visby. The towns in northern Scandinavia and the castle in Finland seem tempting, but you need those soldiers for the oncoming Lithuania invasion (usually what happens). Lithuania is always a good one to hit as it puts you in favor with the pope.
Hva i helvete?
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Well the Byzantines are strong in terms of potential growth and general units. They also have like 3 settlements at the start. I had a lot of fun restoring the Roman Empire.
Their Cavalry and Heavy infantry is a bit lackluster (With the exception of the General unit which is absolutely beastly) fantastic archers and if you get Constantinople you get three of the best units in the game. The Cataphracts are impervious to everything with 30 defense, the flame throwers if positioned correctly will destroy an infantry block in one volley and the Varangian guard is the best shock infantry in the game until way into the late era.
Also they are arguably the best looking faction. The guy who made those units was a genius.
Decanus
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Looking for small, but not strong, but fairly well situated at the start in late era....
Try Scotland.
For quite a while, they only really have to deal with England. And even if you cant keep the peace long enough to build up, as soon as they take Edinburgh from you, you get 2 full legions led by Wallace!
Last edited by Duck of Death; October 30, 2015 at 08:42 AM.
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Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Teutonic order... amazing roster, but you're going to have a hell of a time doing anything at the start. Pretty much everyone wants your head on a pike and you have to fight for every city. One of my favorites to play late era in terms of challenge
Libertus
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
I play VH/H difficulty with Savage AI. Teutonic Order, Byzantine, and Crusader States are the 3 hardest factions(with strong troops and small territory), IMO. Byzantines are probably the hardest, due to all the spammy cavalry archer factions around you, plus the majority of trade is from the sea and random factions will sail around the world just to blockade one of your ports. You also start with this stupid big stack of enemy Seljuks right next to your capital. I find this campaign to be one of the most drawn out in difficulty before you can stabilize. Everyone hates you, the closet rebel settlements have massive stacks in them, the Seljuks, Venetians, and Hungarians have no other enemies to draw them away from beating on you for a long while(eventually the Mongols will reach the Seljuks, and the Holy Roman Empire might attack Venice or Hungary). About 15 or so turns in Sicily will start trying to take Athens and Corinth and sometimes Kievan Rus will send stacks down the coast to try and take Constantinople, so even more enemies who will declare war on you.
Next is the Crusader States, who have the entire Christian world to back them up with Crusades(keep the pope happy and you can call crusades every couple of turns). Another thing you can try is abandoning the Holy Land, taking your stacks and attacking the rebel territories in Greece(launch a reverse Crusade against the remnants of the 4th Crusade). The Crusader States just need to survive until they can call a few Crusades to take away some of the key Egyptian territories and get some allies in the region(easier said than done I know). The only thing is if you take too long (over 50-60 turns) to stabilize you might find yourself surrounded by Mongol stacks of doom.
Teutonic Order is fhard early, but gets easier the fastest. There are a few different strategies and I find I have a pretty unique one... take your faction leader and attack Thorn(Poland's fort near your castle capital). Poland will eventually attack you anyway and I find the best chance you get at getting a citadel for the Foot Ritterbrudders is with your faction leader in Thorn(Thorn's settlement title gives 2 Chivalry combined with Fair Rule from peacefully occupying and your leader's already high Chivalry gives the Fort +3-3.5% population growth off the bat). Send your other General to take Turku on Finland and give it to Novgorod in exchange for an Alliance(they will eventually wither take it or attack you for it so give it up early since it is in a meh location), then have him go and take Visby. Get a diplomat down to Rome, toss some forgiveness money at the pope for attacking Poland, and finally call a crusade against Lithuania's capital(the castle) and BAM! You have a good northern ally, the crusade has taken away Lithuania's only source of annoying horse archers, and you have taken away Poland's best military center, which also provides you with mounted Ritterbrudders (you might have to fight a few defensive battles for Thorn, but you have good spearmen and archers and Poland will threaten with some stacks, but rarely attacks).
From here you can build your cities up and have two weakened enemies (Poland and Lithuania) you can attack in the coming turns.
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
norway/denmark, pick one, eradicate the other, or sicily/venice are good options. Aragonbut that one's not so easy. Though these do not have 2 to 5 cities in the beginning.. the thing is, small factions dont have 2 to 5 cities in the beginning i think. the big ones do. Small ones are small, but become fun and strong when they eventually have 5 cities.
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
So which of ALL factions do you think is the most fun and why? I want something challenging on H/H difficulty and I am not very good in battles(I think) but I learn fast and a lot!
Primicerius
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
I've always loved the late era Byz campaign. The starting position is much much weaker than in early campaign and it makes for a very fun and rewarding campaign imo. You should try that if you haven't already.
Re: Looking for small but strong faction to play in late era
Okay I decided to give the Teutonic Order another try on hard/hard.
Can you give me some battle tactics for them? How do I abuse their strongest troops? Which are their strongest units? Which of all the surrounding factions should I attack first?
Another question: How big army sizes(from the options screen) do you usually use?
Last edited by Sloty; November 19, 2015 at 03:31 PM.
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