Different than other toal war games

**IGdood** · November 23, 2006, 04:52 PM

I remember peasants can be slaughtered by anything. I decided to kill some peasants with a unit of Italian Spear Militia. Those peasants slaughtered my spearmen.

Is this supposed to happen?

**Wurfspiess** · November 23, 2006, 04:55 PM

Well the peasants are on the battlefield for a reason.
From my expirience they will most of the time loose against militia
and you dont want to know that knights or archers do to them

**Edmonton** · November 23, 2006, 05:00 PM

They beat feudal knights in one battle.

**Wurfspiess** · November 23, 2006, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Edmonton

They beat feudal knights in one battle.

Of course peasants can do alot when they are charging kights from behind who are already pinned by spearman

**pero** · November 23, 2006, 05:01 PM

anything is possible
you also need to take a look at their upgrades before the battle
maybe those peasants had better experience then your soldiers

**lawngnome** · November 23, 2006, 05:06 PM

"Beat" Feudal Knights is terribly misleading. You should probably include that the Knights were bogged down and there were extenuating circumstances in the battle that affected the performance. Please keep rubbish like this in context. Peasants are the worst unit in the game still. They suck, but have their uses... like absorbing the brunt of an opponents' assault before you send in your real troops.

Please, start a custom battle, and try to beat anything with peasants... you might shed a few tears as you watch the peasants get ripped limb from limb.

**Edmonton** · November 23, 2006, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by lawngnome

"Beat" Feudal Knights is terribly misleading. You should probably include that the Knights were bogged down and there were extenuating circumstances in the battle that affected the performance. Please keep rubbish like this in context. Peasants are the worst unit in the game still. They suck, but have their uses... like absorbing the brunt of an opponents' assault before you send in your real troops.

Please, start a custom battle, and try to beat anything with peasants... you might shed a few tears as you watch the peasants get ripped limb from limb.

Yeah,and did you read the first post?

**lawngnome** · November 23, 2006, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Edmonton

Yeah,and did you read the first post?

Did you read my post about taking things out of context and ignoring extenuating circumstances? You can't judge 1v1 from campaign battles.

Take *anything* vs. Peasants in a custom battle and see what happens.

**Cadmium77** · November 23, 2006, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by lawngnome

"Beat" Feudal Knights is terribly misleading. You should probably include that the Knights were bogged down and there were extenuating circumstances in the battle that affected the performance. Please keep rubbish like this in context. Peasants are the worst unit in the game still. They suck, but have their uses... like absorbing the brunt of an opponents' assault before you send in your real troops.

Please, start a custom battle, and try to beat anything with peasants... you might shed a few tears as you watch the peasants get ripped limb from limb.

Peasants = good for exhausting enemy archer's quivers on bridge assault preliminaries

Not bad for defending your archers' flanks from cavalry either...really, those pitchforks can do a lot of mischief. Just don't put them up on the line to face experienced footsoldiers, like spearmen or swordsmen..

**Edmonton** · November 23, 2006, 05:30 PM

The things are prooved in actions not exercises,(after rooting of english knights in full unit's size i don't trust customs)

**ZiRo** · November 23, 2006, 05:31 PM

It's interesting this is brought up.

I spent 1.2k florins on Papacy "Wooden Cross" and 4 units of Peasants. I spent similar money on 4 units of enemy Spear Militia.

The spear militia weren't slaughtered but they ran away with their tails between their legs.

However when you spend 1.2k on 4 peasants, 3 militia pike and other units the moral boosted peasants get beaten pretty bad.

**IGdood** · November 23, 2006, 07:24 PM

Well, I tried it out on a custom 1v1 battle. I was on higher ground and the peasants charged me. My troops countercharged, but I had heavier losses. Are spearmen supposed to be owned by light infantry like that?

**Mooncabbage** · November 23, 2006, 08:08 PM

Don't underestimate peasants as straight up soldiers. Still the ideal unit for DYING, they're much more effective at their other tasks than they once where. Their attack value of 5 isn't bad compared to Spear Militia's 7, especially once you take numbers into account. Their morale sucks though. Quite useful for manning walls in sieges, where you can't put missile units, or where an assault is likely, to leave your real melee units available for the innevitable grind at the gates.

**IGdood** · November 23, 2006, 11:20 PM

I just don't understand how they took my spearmen out. Putting them into defense mode doesn't work...

**Mooncabbage** · November 23, 2006, 11:26 PM

"Defense" mode is just so that AI doesn't break up your lines horribly. It doesn't really help them in the melee so much as stop the entire unit becoming actively involved in the fight... more of a delaying tactic so you can bring your "Hammer" to bear. Just to be clear, all Guard mode does is order the men in the unit to stay in formation and only fight if it can do so without breaking off.

If you put them in defense mode to start with that could well be your problem, did you try it without them in guard mode?

**IGdood** · November 24, 2006, 11:12 AM

Well, they got steamrolled when they were not in guard mode, but when I placed then in defense mode, the peasants started to take some more casualties. I lost in the end. I played the battle again and put them in regular mode. My militia just kept dying faster than peasants, so they routed again. I guess Light Infantry are super effective against spearmen? Nobody had more chevrons though. and noone was upgraded.