I'm sorry, but Rome 2 is just terrible and you can't fix it.

[Carlito]

Hi,

I have tried so much to enjoy this game with this mod but the major flaws from Rome 2 kill my excitement every time.

I can't stand not being able to manage my own garrisons, build my own roads, have family members avenge my original general.

Im sorry modders.

[zonks40]

No need to be sorry, it's not your fault...or is it?

I'm far from happy with Rome 2, but for me, the modders have made it far better than the base game, and I'm sure if they were able, they would do a lot more, but there are limitations imposed by CA which prevent this.
If I didn't have DEI or Radious, I would have shelved Rome 2 back in 2013, The Creative Assembly have lost their passion and I really cannot see anything getting any better in the future, all we can hope is that another developer out there tackles this genre.

[Ygraine]

Zonks40 is right, Warhammer is going to be a dlc-fest (considering only 4 factions are unlocked at start) & has no modding supported at all... That company ignored hundreds of threads and posts in their forum over several months about adding Attila features to Rome 2.

As to Rome 2, DeI is lightyears away from vanilla - but there's only so much that can be modded.
The market is streamlined towards casuals who don't think twice about opening their wallets to satiate their fluctuating "consumerism"-fix by buying games they barely invest time in (just look at the people who buy games just to show that they own many on Steam). And companies like CA are run by publisher suits who don't play games themselves and only care about revenue & stock-worth. Today you have small indie-companies communicating with their community, implementing their ideas etcetera way better than CA, Bioware etc. The curse of conglomerates buying upp successful game developers.

[TheOrangeProject]

Zonks40 is right, Warhammer is going to be a dlc-fest (considering only 4 factions are unlocked at start) & has no modding supported at all... That company ignored hundreds of threads and posts in their forum over several months about adding Attila features to Rome 2.

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Only 4 factions...

May I ask in a friendly but direct way: Have you any idea about Warhammer franchise? Just wondering since people who know warhammer lore,fluff and tabletop uasally agree that 4 well polished factions which will be entirely different in comparison are better than 20 which are almost the same. Also in case the dlc is good there is no issue for paying in it (amount of additional play time, options, etc.). The issue with dlcs in Rome 2 is that most of the stuff is already in the game, so it is no real new content. They basically zero efforts to "make" some of the dlcs.

About modding. To be honest, if the games would be good the modding community would definitly be smaller. DeI does a lot things which should have be done by CA in the first place. Sadly they had to fix several things before actually starting their things. First and most important imo is a good working basic game. Otherweise modding becomes fixing, which I think no modder actually wants to do in the first place.

The attila rome thing is something else.

[zonks40]

Only 4 factions...

May I ask in a friendly but direct way: Have you any idea about Warhammer franchise? Just wondering since people who know warhammer lore,fluff and tabletop uasally agree that 4 well polished factions which will be entirely different in comparison are better than 20 which are almost the same. Also in case the dlc is good there is no issue for paying in it (amount of additional play time, options, etc.). The issue with dlcs in Rome 2 is that most of the stuff is already in the game, so it is no real new content. They basically zero efforts to "make" some of the dlcs.

About modding. To be honest, if the games would be good the modding community would definitly be smaller. DeI does a lot things which should have be done by CA in the first place. Sadly they had to fix several things before actually starting their things. First and most important imo is a good working basic game. Otherweise modding becomes fixing, which I think no modder actually wants to do in the first place.

The attila rome thing is something else.

I disagree on the DLC, there may be only 4 "playable" factions to start, but any DLC will just be making other "existing" factions playable, they don't inject new factions into the game unless it's a campaign pack, so it will be no different to Rome 2, very little effort will be required for huge gains.

The problem I have with DLC is the fact that these companies factor it into the product in the initial stages of development, they don't sit down and decide to make the best game they possibly can, they decide what will be in the released product, and what they will sell post release, and there is no other reason for it other than penny pinching, all Sega gives a about is the shareholders, and that's because all the s on the board are major shareholders, it's how they make money outside their set yearly salary.

Sure you can choose to buy DLC if it is good, but it is my belief that it should be in the released product, if you really believe that they couldn't add all these units, and have all these factions playable on release, then there isn't much hope for you, as the modders were able to make factions playable and adding units within days of release.

[Ygraine]

Only 4 factions...

May I ask in a friendly but direct way: Have you any idea about Warhammer franchise? Just wondering since people who know warhammer lore,fluff and tabletop uasally agree that 4 well polished factions which will be entirely different in comparison are better than 20 which are almost the same. Also in case the dlc is good there is no issue for paying in it (amount of additional play time, options, etc.). The issue with dlcs in Rome 2 is that most of the stuff is already in the game, so it is no real new content. They basically zero efforts to "make" some of the dlcs.

About modding. To be honest, if the games would be good the modding community would definitly be smaller. DeI does a lot things which should have be done by CA in the first place. Sadly they had to fix several things before actually starting their things. First and most important imo is a good working basic game. Otherweise modding becomes fixing, which I think no modder actually wants to do in the first place.

The attila rome thing is something else.

Being the nerd I am, I played tabletop 40k and fantasy for a couple of years when I was younger, yes (still have some rule/faction books lying around somewhere). But here we're talking about a TW-game, which for me has been a lot about "choices" in the faction department.

[GourmetGorilla]

TW games have always ridden the line between niche and mainstream, which is unfortunate because when they have to choose between one or the other they will naturally choose the path that yields greater revenue. TW:R2 was the high watermark of the series, as far as sales went, and Attila saw much less success as they're paying the price for their mistakes. In spite of all of the flaws though, I still enjoy these games. While I won't be buying Warhammer, I hold out hope that there will be good historical TW games in the future. Remember that Shogun 2 was a blast, even with minimal modding. That was only four years ago.

CA has a monopoly, but that doesn't make them immune to the market. Rome II had great sales, but they bungled it up and overextended themselves in such a way that they had to be very conservative in their approach to Attila. Re-implementing the family tree is one example of this. I think that while there are no guarantees that CA will learn their lessons, there is hope for the genre in the long-run--so don't lose hope.

For the mean-time, DeI is Rome II's saving-grace; for all its faults, I've put more hours into this game with DeI than any other game that I own. I only hope that that the mods of the future can match its caliber.

[ByzantinePowerGame]

TW games have always ridden the line between niche and mainstream, which is unfortunate because when they have to choose between one or the other they will naturally choose the path that yields greater revenue. TW:R2 was the high watermark of the series, as far as sales went, and Attila saw much less success as they're paying the price for their mistakes. In spite of all of the flaws though, I still enjoy these games. While I won't be buying Warhammer, I hold out hope that there will be good historical TW games in the future. Remember that Shogun 2 was a blast, even with minimal modding. That was only four years ago.

CA has a monopoly, but that doesn't make them immune to the market. Rome II had great sales, but they bungled it up and overextended themselves in such a way that they had to be very conservative in their approach to Attila. Re-implementing the family tree is one example of this. I think that while there are no guarantees that CA will learn their lessons, there is hope for the genre in the long-run--so don't lose hope.

For the mean-time, DeI is Rome II's saving-grace; for all its faults, I've put more hours into this game with DeI than any other game that I own. I only hope that that the mods of the future can match its caliber.

I will not buy Warhammer Total War until it is on Steam sale for $5 dollars, maybe I will part with $10 for it.

[Daergar]

Weird, I've had a blast with R2 and DeI since the start. Boot up, run a campaign for a few days, slaughter barbarians!

[Meraun]

Well i bought every TW game since Shogun 1 and i spend most time on ETW and R2TW (both with mods and Both over 600h) . i guess it just depends on your flavor.. Rome 2 and Empire are the most questable Games in this Communty, but yet my two
most favorite TW Games.

I dont really see the point of your Thread? Why did you post it? To seek attention? i mean waht are you try to say to us? Stop modding because you think it not worth it?

[ra2z]

Rome 2 total war will always be since the biggest issue is the warscape engine which means no unit collision, teleporting units across the battle field, units sliding across the battle field, terrible rubber banding, units acting in perfect unision to every order etc.. Basicaly it ruins the key feature of total war, the battles, quite funny sine shogun 2 dident have these problems... really shows how CA really cares about consumers.

[Meraun]

Rome 2 total war will always be since the biggest issue is the warscape engine which means no unit collision, teleporting units across the battle field, units sliding across the battle field, terrible rubber banding, units acting in perfect unision to every order etc.. Basicaly it ruins the key feature of total war, the battles, quite funny sine shogun 2 dident have these problems... really shows how CA really cares about consumers.

i respect your Opinion, but its nothing more than your Opinion...

[Butan]

Some things cant be fixed, but there is a lot that can and have, and will. Some enjoyments to be had

[Ciruelo]

Even thougth unit collision is terrible, mechanics are quite good and in multiplayer battle, were you don't zoom in to se the battle closer, unit collision and all the stuff people always complain about just do not matter. I still have much more fun with R2 in multiplayer than with any other TW. Is far less buggy than M2, Rome or Empire and uniqueness of each one of the large number of factions makes the game awesome in multiplayer battle. I hate campaing in R2 but when I want to play campaign I just go to other TW, that is the point of having the whole TW serie.

[Yomamashouse]

I wish someone would make a classical era mod for Attila. I love Attila, but when I returned to Rome II (even with this Mods dramatic improvements) it was just missing something, and it wasn't the total war experience I loved.

[KAM 2150]

Well, majority of TW titles had no modding support including Rome 1 and MTW2 which had a huge load of amazing mods ;P Still, only 4 factions at start seems very limited after playing Call of Warhammer, but I guess like with Rome 2, there are 4 starter factions, probably 1-2 more for pre-order the game and maybe 1 free faction for PR purpose at the date of release or some patches later.

[Alannon]

Hehe, I came to the exact same conclusion yesterday, after playing Shogun 2. To me, Shogun 2 and Attila exceed Rome 2 by far. In the former animations and the feel of combat feels perfect, just made for the engine. In Attila it feels just plain better than Rome 2. I think they did adjust the way the units move and fight, slightly, but sensibly. Look how fast and cinematic they flow to fall a shieldwall from a more loose formation.

But DEI remains great and I look forward to 1.1, to play with my friend. If only it wasn't so much more prone to desynching than vanilla.

[Hoplitus]

Hi,

I have tried so much to enjoy this game with this mod but the major flaws from Rome 2 kill my excitement every time.

I can't stand not being able to manage my own garrisons, build my own roads, have family members avenge my original general.

Im sorry modders.

Dude, I kind of feel your pain, but why you come here with your complaints? Those things you mentioned are hardcoded, not even the best modders could do something about it.

Although you mentioned some good points you're just in the wrong place here. Adress CA directly so they can do better next time! All those things DeI can't do much about.

It's like going to the butcher complaining about bad fruit

Just by the way, if you could (or try to) overlook those (in my opinion minor issues) Rome 2 + DeI is very enjoyable. In fact one of the best TW experience you could ever get.

Try to overcome yourself

[Ciruelo]

Rome 2 is the only TW with an active and big multiplayer community, I wonder why...

[MortalCoil]

Rome 2 is the only TW with an active and big multiplayer community, I wonder why...

uuuuhhh stainless steel? Although to be fair it has been like a year since the last update : / only so much you can do on that engine