Poison Provisions too good?

**broodwarjc** · September 21, 2015, 05:56 PM

Is the spy ability Poison Provisions too good? It is pretty easy to use, fail a few times at first then the trait bonuses kick in and watch armies melt. It just seems too good for one ability: it kills multiple units, it significantly slows movement, and it prevents the army from reinforcing another in battle. When multiple AI factions spam Spies it makes the game incredibly frustrating to play, given that the Assassination abilities (to stop the enemy Spies) have ridiculously low chances of success. Sometimes I am forced to constantly reload my game to get an enemy Spy to fail because some hidden Spy wrecks my army and prevents it from supporting another when multiple enemy armies show up.

The ability just seems way too successful and too powerful and is broken when spammed on the same army by multiple spies (If you get 2-3 Poison Provisions on one army you can even reduce their movement for the next turn to zero I believe, because one of my armies just got hit by two or three spies and now has zero movement). What do you think, is the ability too good? What would you do to fix it?

**Dresden** · September 21, 2015, 06:12 PM

This, among other agent abilities, are being changed/nerfed in 1.1. But yes, it is too good.

**broodwarjc** · September 21, 2015, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dresden

This, among other agent abilities, are being changed/nerfed in 1.1. But yes, it is too good.

Thanks for the reply. Good to know the ability is over performing.

**ra2z** · September 21, 2015, 07:14 PM

Sent 3 roman legions with top notch quality troops with 3 gold ranks to take on carthage, all 3 were destroyed in 1 turn by poision.

**Dresden** · September 21, 2015, 07:57 PM

Spies won't be able to damage armies in 1.1. Only garrisons to some degree.

**Patrician** · September 22, 2015, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dresden

Spies won't be able to damage armies in 1.1. Only garrisons to some degree.

This is a welcome change.

**Ygraine** · September 21, 2015, 08:03 PM

Besides, pre 1.1 you can stack cunning on your general to counter poison-attempts (by either picking cunning traits or putting a spy in the army with high cunning).

**zonks40** · September 21, 2015, 08:12 PM

Yeah I agree, I don't think they do too much damage, but I think the fact that they can continually do it is very unrealistic, any General who fell victim to this tactic would enhance security making it extremely difficult to pull off in successive turns.

**FlashHeart07** · September 22, 2015, 01:48 AM

As Dresden have already noted, agent skills will be tweaked with 1.1 giving them proper roles and reduce the frustration of seeing your grandest army being teared apart by an enemy spy

**Morgan** · September 22, 2015, 06:19 AM

Will there be any changes to the number of agents/armies as well?

Especially as Rome, I like to maintain a Legion plus Auxilia in two separate armies which means I can quickly fill all the Army slots, which unfortunately reduces my ability to maintain governors causing all my generals to have the same traits path to maintain public order, improve conversion etc...

**FlashHeart07** · September 22, 2015, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by Morgan

Will there be any changes to the number of agents/armies as well?

Especially as Rome, I like to maintain a Legion plus Auxilia in two separate armies which means I can quickly fill all the Army slots, which unfortunately reduces my ability to maintain governors causing all my generals to have the same traits path to maintain public order, improve conversion etc...

The number of armies and agents will not be changed. But this is two things which you can very easily change yourself to fit your own gamestyle. If you are not familiar with modding just send me a private message and I will see what I can do.

**Morgan** · September 22, 2015, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by FlashHeart07

The number of armies and agents will not be changed. But this is two things which you can very easily change yourself to fit your own gamestyle. If you are not familiar with modding just send me a private message and I will see what I can do.

Okay, yeah please. I know how to edit DB tables, just not sure which one to increase the number of dignitaries/governors. So any help would be really appreciated. =)

**FlashHeart07** · September 22, 2015, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Morgan

Okay, yeah please. I know how to edit DB tables, just not sure which one to increase the number of dignitaries/governors. So any help would be really appreciated. =)

If you know your way around the dB tables then you will be fine

look in the fame_levels tables