OK, ok, ok... So we all understand that this music is 1. neither medieval music at all 2. nor traditional turkish music... Why are we talking about this for using it in campaign?!
OK, ok, ok... So we all understand that this music is 1. neither medieval music at all 2. nor traditional turkish music... Why are we talking about this for using it in campaign?!
Yes, Guatelli Paşa is not Medieval but Ottoman Attack March and others represent the music of high and late era even though they weren't written at that time, they are used in many movies and TV Series that takes place in the era
However I still insist on the court music I posted...
MTW2 Tsardoms Mod has the most accurate Ottoman roster among the mods I've seen. They put a lot of effort into researching 14th-15th century Ottoman clothes and armors.
Azaps (light archers)
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Azaps (Azabs), litterally bachelors, were organized as a military unit during Murad I's reign in the mid-14th century. In the beginning, they were selected from single Turkish males of Asia Minor; but after the 16th century, males living near the borders were also enlisted as Azaps. In battles, the Azaps were positioned in front of the Janissaries, and were the first to face the charge of the enemy. After slowing down the enemy advance and causing casualties among them they usually parted and allowed the Janissaries to advance. After the enemy was stunned with both cannon and musket fire, the azaps and Janissary were ordered to close the gaps around the enemy, usually resulting in defeat of the enemy. From the 14th up to the 16th century, the Azaps were largely in the form of light archers that didn't have uniform and didn't wear armor. Their weapons consisted of sabres and composite bows and they used shields as protection.
Yaya (light infantry)
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To replace the irregular nomads and ghazis , Orhan organized a separate standing army of hired soldiers paid by salary rather than booty or by timar estates. Those soldiers organized as infantry were called Yayas (literally "Infantry" in Turkish). They rapidly lost their importance with the formation of the Kapukulu and Tımar corps and ended up as an auxiliary unit, they used a variety of weapons.
Janissary Archers
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The Janissary Archers were known as Okchu or Kemankesh Yeniįeri. These Janissaries are expert archers equipped with powerful composite bows. They usually wear some armour underneath their robes. The armaments of Okchu archers were similar to those of the musketeers; the only difference was their composite bows, which they used instead of muskets. Years of dedicated training and experience made them deadly both with a bow and in melee battle, and their discipline was legendary. Due to their light armour, they can be used as a fast moving light infantry, but their hand-to-hand prowess makes them capable of standing up to a much better equipped opponent in melee. The number of archer ortas were rather small, and most of them were turned to musketeers in the 15th century. Bow types included short composite bows, "Chagra" crossbows and "Zemberek" heavy crossbows, which shot bolts as thick as a human thumb.
Janissary Gunners
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The Janissary Gunners were known Tufengchi or Tufengendaz Yeniįeri. As an elite corps they have the best equipment, and are the first troops in the Ottoman army to use the newly invented musket. Tufengchi musketeers were armed with a variety of muskets, swords, axes and daggers. During the 15th century, arquebuses were more common but their musket varieties increased rapidly during the 16th century. Muskets incluided giant trench muskets, flintlock muskets, matchlock muskets, carabines for cavalry and many more musket types. They became very proficient in its use, although their tactics differed from the usual way in which firearms were utilized. Instead of firing in unison to present a ‘wall of lead’ to their enemies, the Janissaries relied on their individual marksmanship.
Solak Guard Archers (left handed Janissary Guard)
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Solaks is the name of the Janissary Ortas (Units) of 60 to 63 men, originally formed during the rule of Bayezid I. They started to act as a foot guard unit of the Sultans in during the reign of Mehmed II. Solak literally means left-handed because the two Solaks accompanying the Sultan on his right side used their left hands to shoot in order to not turn their back to the Sultan which was considered a great insult. The Solaks were carefully handpicked among the most strong and intelligent Janissaries and were extremely skilled with their composite bows, as well as in melee.
Janissary Heavy Infantry
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The Turkish word “yeniįeri” meant new soldier. Armoured Janissary Nefers wore chain armors supported by small iron pieces and helmets; they carried a variety of swords, battle axes, polearms, hooked spears, maces, lassos, daggers and a variety of shields ranging from small round shields to rectangular Balkan-style shields. They formed the first Ottoman standing paid army (1376). The Janissaries are mostly formed from a levy of Christian boys, but also include prisoners of war who have converted to Islam. These elite heavy infantry are expected to lead the infantry charge into battle with courage and honour.
Serdengeįti (Ottoman Heavy Assault Infantry)
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CAVALRY
Akınjı (literally "Raider"/Light Horse Archers)
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Border areas between the Ottoman Empire and whoever was unlucky enough to be on the other side were place of continual strife and low-level warfare. In such circumstances raiding and counter-raiding was the principal activity of the light cavalry. This was the kind of war in which the Ottomans excelled as their raids would ruin the largely agricultural economy of their opponents. The main blow would inevitably follow and the decisive battle would be fought against an enemy already shaken and bleeding. Both in guarding the borders and raiding, the Akinci light cavalry were the Ottoman Empire’s watch dogs. They would strike deep into the enemy’s rear (at times going as far as Friuli, the mainland of Venice) and retreat with tens of thousands of slaves. The Sultan would further encourage them with promise of coin for the head of every slain enemy soldier. The akinji had the grizzly habit of taking the heads of fallen enemies which brought fear into the hearts of their enemies. They were useful in a set piece battle as well, and many victories were secured by their timely charge at the exposed rear or flank of the enemy, the battle of Mohach being one such example. On campaign they would range far and wide, securing river crossings, foraging and gathering intelligence, as well as denying the same to the enemy force. The akinjis were very cheap to recruit and maintain, as they were irregular cavalry. They fought for the prospect of the spoils of war, and would disperse as quickly as they assembled; only to come together again as the need arose.
Turkoman Tribal Cavalry (this unit is basically high/late period / 14-15th century version of early Turkoman raiders)
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The Turkmens also known as the Oghuz Turks were one the largest of group of Turkic tribes in 8th century. They mainly inhabited the east of the Caspian sea and the Aral lake. In the 10th century formainly political reasons a large part of the Turkmen left their ancestral lands and moved south into the lands of Khwarezm and Khorasan. Under the leaders Tughrul and Chagri Begs they formed a new political entity and rapidly conquered large part of middle east. Their first raids into Anatolia also started during this period, although the first moves with the intention of conquering Anatolia started after the Battle of Manzikert. With the help of weakened Byzantine defenses, Turkmen waves rapidly overran the country and under the Seljuks of Rum permanently established themselves in Anatolia. That was the first Turkic wave into Anatolia, the second and way bigger wave started after the Mongol Invasion in Central Asia and Middle East. Hundreds of thousands of nomads flooded into Anatolia in waves and rapidly overran the last remaining Byzantine bastions of western Anatolia. Under the lead of their Begs they established their own political entities. Ertughrul, father of Osman was also one of them. Being from Turkic stock they are skilled riders and archers although their undisciplined behavior has always been a problem and therefore one should not completely rely on them.
Sipahi Horse Archers
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The majority of the Ottoman cavalry were provincial feudal obligators called Timarlu. A timariot (or timar holder; timarlu in Turkish) was an irregular cavalryman that served the Ottoman sultan and in return was granted a fief called a timar. The timariots had to assemble with the army when at war, and had to take care of the land entrusted to him in times of peace. When at war, the timariot had to bring his own equipment and in addition a number of armed retainers (jebelu).
This way of recruitment was called as Timar System, which was similar to the Sui Chinese Fu and Seljuk Iqta Systems. The timarli sipahis can be considered as the equivalent of a Medieval European knight, and jebelüs as their men-at-arms.
Timarli sipahis never got monthly payments like the Kapikulu troops had; and instead, they supplied themselves with their incomes from their timar lands. If a timarli sipahi committed a crime, his punishment changed according to the level of that crime. Taking the timar land from it's owner was the worst punishment and was usually implied on the ones who didn't join the campaigns without any reason.
When on campaign, the timariots were organized into regiments called alays that were commanded by alay beys (or beg). Larger units were the sanjak (or sanįak) regiments or livas (standard, banner), commanded by sanjak beys. At the top were the province governors, the beylerbeys. A province in the 16th century could muster some thousand timariots, according to the size of the province. In 1525 the total number of timar holders were 37 818, according to the tax rolls. The number of armed retainers was estimated to 50 000. Of course, these great numbers were spread out all over the empire, and could not possibly serve in one campaign at a time.
Given their high numbers, any kind of uniformity was impossible, and timariots covered a wide range of roles, form light cavalry to heavy. Most however, were medium cavalry, well protected but not at the expense of agility, and with a wealth of experience from near constant warfare. This made them versatile and a dangerous adversary indeed.
Sipahi Lancers
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Silahdar Bodyguard (can be used as high/late period general's bodyguard unit)
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The Sultan's Bodyguard was known as the Silahdar Corps or "Sari Bayrak" (meaning Yellow Banner). The Silahdar Corps were the oldest of the Kapikulu cavalry. During campaigns they used to collect the background service units like müsellems and yörüks. In battles, they were positioned on the left side of the sultan and were ordered to protect the Imperial tent of the sultan. The personal bodyguards who always followed the sultan wherever he went were selected from the Silahdars. The Silahdar Corps were divided into 250 bölüks; and their numbers were 2.200 in the 16th century. Just like the other Kapikulu troops, their numbers rose thereafter: 5.000 in the late-16th century and 7.500 in the early-17th century.
Besides these hypotethical high/late period units, a few units based on early Ottomans (such as Ottoman Ghazi) and a heavy archer unit can be added to the roster.
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Heavy Archers?
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Last edited by Danishmend; December 14, 2016 at 01:45 PM.
Gazi means in turkish just "Veteran" so itīs a little bit weird to calling a Unit Gazi - maybe just rename them as "Seljuk Infantry" ?
That's because the word Ghazi here is Arabic. It has more or less the connotation of 'holy warrior' or 'crusader'. Ghazi would answer the call for war against infidels and were a cheap source of manpower. I know that was one of the reasons Mehmet declared his war against the Byzantines a religious war, so that he could gather ghazi.
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That's because the word Ghazi here is Arabic. It has more or less the connotation of 'holy warrior' or 'crusader'. Ghazi would answer the call for war against infidels and were a cheap source of manpower. I know that was one of the reasons Mehmet declared his war against the Byzantines a religious war, so that he could gather ghazi.
In Arabic Ghazi means is a person who participates in Ghazwah and Ghazwah is the battle in the enemy territory. In short, Ghazi is the person who go to fight the enemies and don't wait for them to come
If you can find me a source of mirror armour that 1) looks like those 2 types and 2) was used in the 15th century (1400-1500), I'll make sure they are used in the mod. But despite sources saying that they were used as early as the 15th, I've never seen a piece dated to that era. Ball's in your court.
So I just deleted 11 God damn posts due to arguing about Turkish depictions in stuff(And one from Sly for continuity sake) I'm already not in a good mood atm so I do not want to warn you guys again. Please respect what we ask, I do not care who started it or what the other person said, this conversation is over.
So I just deleted 11 God damn posts due to arguing about Turkish depictions in stuff(And one from Sly for continuity sake) I'm already not in a good mood atm so I do not want to warn you guys again. Please respect what we ask, I do not care who started it or what the other person said, this conversation is over.
That one looks pretty much like like Mongol-type armour, not Char-aina.
This is what I mean by Mirror armour :
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The earliest of these is the last one, dated late 16th.
The combination of mail and plate armor (aka partial plate or plated mail) was used in the 15th century, but by mirror armor if you mean those with discs I have yet to see examples from the 15th century.
Ottoman plated mail from the 15th century, basically mail armor reinforced with steel plates
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Ottoman 'krug'/mirror armor, 16th century. According to wikipedia krug was used in the 15th century too, not sure how reliable this info though.
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The combination of mail and plate armor (aka partial plate or plated mail) was used in the 15th century, but by mirror armor if you mean those with disc plates I have yet to see examples from the 15th century.
Ottoman plated mail from the 15th century, basically mail armor reinforced with steel plates
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Ottoman 'krug'/mirror armor, 16th century. According to wikipedia krug was used in the 15th century too, not sure how reliable this info though.
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Jawshan armour will be used for the late era. I've also seen the mention that mirror armour was used as early of the 15th century but I have not seen a single example yet.
Yes, it was a type of later Mongol armor to have a long brigantine like overcoat with a central metal disk or even just a round design in the center, which is different from mirror armor.
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OK, ok, ok... So we all understand that this music is 1. neither medieval music at all 2. nor traditional turkish music... Why are we talking about this for using it in campaign?!
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