Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Seljuks of Rum

[OutsiderKK]

Actually, that helmet is pretty accurate historically.


This drawing/helmet is based on nothing but pure imagination, historically inaccurate. These guys are trying to make this mod as accurate as possible and basing their models on accurate illustrations, not on some fantasy drawings. It's like saying "I don't like the way that helmet looks please change that with mine". Please don't.

How can you be so sure current helmet being accurate?

If you have another proof how the helmet should look like then show it to me. If these guys are trying to make it accurate then I'm sure someone can show us where they saw the helmet that is currently in the game. I might be wrong but I want to see proof. You know I just want to learn the right knowledge.

[Danishmend]

How can you be so sure current helmet being accurate?

Most of the Seljuk helmet models that are currently in this mod were also used in a Mount and Blade Warband mod called Crusader Way to Expiation, the developers of that mod spent a lot of time researching accurate armors and based their models mostly on the illustrations of historical illustrators (such as Angus McBride, Christa Hook etc).

If you have another proof how the helmet should look like then show it to me.

The drawing in your post is not even a proof for God's sake, that's based on nothing but imagination, simply a product of fantasy. I need to post Osprey illustrations to show you what their helmets looked like but the company is quite agressive about protecting copyright in their images.



Here are accurate illustratios (not Osprey) of some helmets and fur hats used by the Seljuk Turks.











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[Visarion]

I am so confused... much better than MTW 2 vanilla... man you are so talented, the armours are so niiiiiceeee... another pretendent for best faction...

[TheIronTyrant]

I am so confused... much better than MTW 2 vanilla... man you are so talented, the armours are so niiiiiceeee... another pretendent for best faction...

You may realize this and I am just posting this comment for no reason, but this mod is for Attila not MTW 2. If you knew that, or if you didn't, I agree that this mod does look much better than MTW 2 as well as most medieval games.

[Ltd.]

So, as there were fears that the turks would not get the haircut they should wear, here they come , fresh from the barber`s

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[OutsiderKK]

Niceeeee

[OutsiderKK]

delete pls...

[OutsiderKK]

OK, thanks for showing me, but still in-game Sultan helmet't top is a bit diffrent but I think it is OK. I wanted proof because I wanted to be sure you are saying the truth. Thanks

[Lucem Mundum]

Junior Ghulam

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Great job on everything! except for those green and blue helmets on the junior ghulams, they look kind of unrealistic, and out of place compared to the other helmets, and their textures feel "compressed". Also the texts in the helmets seem as if they were printed or something, which totally breaks immersion. Otherwise everything looks great.

[Danishmend]

Will Sultanate of Rum have access to late period units (Janissaries, Spahis, Handgunners etc)?


By the way, here is the list of the names of medieval Turkish rulers (Turkish, Persian and Arabic/Islamic names, 11th - 14th centuries). This might be helpful.

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Afshin
Aksungur
Ali
Altuntash
Alp Arslan
Artuk
Arslan
Arslan-Shah
Ayaz
Aybak
Bahram-Shah
Balaban
Barkyaruq
Bektash
Bengi
Beytemür/Beytemur
Bori-Bars
Chaghri
Chaka
Danishmend
Dawud
Duqaq
Dündar/Dundar
Ertoghrul
Gumushtekin
Kilij Arslan
Kaykaus
Kaykhusraw
Kayqubad
Kavurt/Qavurt
Kerbogha
Kutlugh
Mahmud
Malik
Malik-Shah
Masud
Mikail
Muhammad
Musa
Nur ad-Din
Ibrahim
Ilghazi
Iltutmish
Imad ad-Din
Inal
Inanch
Ilaldi
Isa
Ismail
Osman
Orhan
Ridwan/Radwan
Tekish
Togan Arslan
Toghrul
Toghtekin
Tokush
Turan-Shah
Tutush
Qutalmish
Saltuk
Sanjar
Sanjar-Shah
Saruhan
Seljuq
Shah-Budak
Sokman
Suleiman
Suleiman-Shah
Sungur
Qizil Arslan
Qutb ad-Din
Umur
Yaghibasan
Yaghisiyan
Yaman

Great job on everything! except for those green and blue helmets on the junior ghulams, they look kind of unrealistic, and out of place compared to the other helmets, and their textures feel "compressed". Also the texts in the helmets seem as if they were printed or something, which totally breaks immersion. Otherwise everything looks great.

I agree, green/blue junior ghulam helmets look somewhat deformed/unrealistic.

[Ltd.]

Great job on everything! except for those green and blue helmets on the junior ghulams, they look kind of unrealistic, and out of place compared to the other helmets, and their textures feel "compressed". Also the texts in the helmets seem as if they were printed or something, which totally breaks immersion. Otherwise everything looks great.

Removed those helmets. Added different ones.

[Lucem Mundum]

Removed those helmets. Added different ones.

OMG! your the best! btw can you please post images of the new helmets

[OutsiderKK]

OMG! your the best! btw can you please post images of the new helmets

Yeah, I was going to say the same

[OutsiderKK]

Turkish names (English pronounciations)

Karaca
Yunus
Hasan
Demir
Aydin
Mustafa
Alp Tigin
Alp Tekin
Hayreddin(Khair ad-Din)
Bughra
Yusuf
Ihsan
Izzeddin(Izz ad-Din)
Mahmud
Ahmed
Murad
Toktamis
Tanrivermis
Gündogdu
Kaya
Kaya Alp
Gündüz
Gündüz Alp
Cüneyd
Kasim
Güneri
Ishak
Iskender
Halil
Yakup
Alp Yürek
Budak
Celal(Jalal)
Celaleddin(Jalal ad-Din)
Sahin
Sahin-Shah
Karatay
Dogan
Mehmed
Tarik
Talat
Teoman
Tarkan
Balaban
Avni
Cemal(Jamal)
Ceyhun(Jey-khun)
Ayhan(Ay Khan)
Aziz
Adnan
Emin
Gaffar
Ilhan
Istemi
Kemal
Köksal
Kürşad(Kürshad)
Rüstem
Timur
Kartal
Temür
Akdemir
Beytemür

Danişmend, thank you for warning me about the names "Batu" and "Timur".

[atademir]

This mode will be able to play when? Do you have can give us information?

[Sobakel]

I don't think ETA's are available right now. It's much more important to have quality instead of going for the first possible date en rushing stuff.

[Caucasian Iberia]

Will Seljuks look like asians? Or like modern Turks?

[Sobakel]

I can't imagine them looking too much like asians as the Seljucs were part of the migrating Oghuz Turks which which have been on the eastern side of asia (current day Iran) for much of their time

[Danishmend]

Will Seljuks look like asians? Or like modern Turks?

The Turks had more asiatic appearance before mixing with local populations of Anatolia and Azerbaijan, but not as much asiatic as modern Kazakhs for example. Prior to the demographic changes during the post-Mongol Invasion era Central Asia was less Asiatic than it is today, after the 13/14th century the region absorbed so many Mongol tribes that these Mongol tribes (Dughlat, Naiman, Onggirad, Jalayir, Kerait, Arghun, Barlas, Khitai etc) formed modern Kazakh and Uzbek nations by merging with Turkic Kipchaks and Karluks, making the region more asiatic. Timur was a member of one of these Turkicized Mongol tribes (Barlas) for example. The Seljuk Turks before mixing with local Anatolian/Azerbaijanian populations might have looked like modern Turkmens whose language also belong to the Oghuz branch (like Turkish and Azerbaijani).

The Hunnic face templates in the vanilla game look too Asian (almost Korean). Since we don't have Transoxianian/Caspian Turkic face templates the current eastern templates are OK (and the best option we have) in my opinion.

[hunnic26]

Amazing work. Especially turkish archer that you create looks same in historical turkish archer.