Extremely easy to rout?

[Favre]

When i first began playing this great game, I didnt realize how easy it is to rout enemy units. It was easy as hell in RTW, but it felt a bit easier this time around.

I find myself consantly making armies composed of 5 infantry units, and about 15 Cav.

Its so easy, I even use low tier units like Militia's. All you need to do is engage with your main line and swing your cav around the back and just smash em. The only thing i use my Inf for is to keep the missle fire off of my cav and to hold the line for about 15 seconds. It seems like about 80 turns into the game I can own anyone with this tactic.

Anyone else think this could use a fix?


The bad part is that the campaign map ai is so passive that the only time i am ever attacked is when im inside a city. Kinda lame really.

However, other than finding it histerically easy even on the VH/VH difficulty, it is a fun game.

[Sard]

Hold em with a line of solid infantry and then flank em with heavy cavalry - its the winning tactic for the french. Right now my armies are pretty much 1/3 Dismounted Feudal Knight, 1/3 Noble Knights and the rest siege and a few merc xboxmen. Works like a charm.

[Ragss]

I agree. Its pretty pathetic how little they fixed it all up from RTW. I've seen a few minor improvements, but largely its unchanged. Enemy armies collapse within moments of engagement and show next to zero intelligence beforehand. I'm still having fun...but I expected change.

I'm on vh/vh and its a breeze in battles. The only challenge is that the whole world is against me for no reason.

[bibbledy]

a few units of xboxmen.. that gave me a funny mental image, of medieval soldiers throwing expensive, Medieval 2-incapable game systems at the enemy lines causing them to rout instantly so they could go discover electricity and play xbox

[ProudNerd]

I agree. Its pretty pathetic how little they fixed it all up from RTW. I've seen a few minor improvements, but largely its unchanged. Enemy armies collapse within moments of engagement and show next to zero intelligence beforehand. I'm still having fun...but I expected change.

I'm on vh/vh and its a breeze in battles. The only challenge is that the whole world is against me for no reason.

hardly.it takes forever for units both mine and th enemiyes to rout the melee lasrs for ages and routing units rally thenselves again and again. Its far better and more fun that romes in that way. In rome routed coudl hape insantly and when one did the others wernt far behind.

[issues]

hardly.it takes forever for units both mine and th enemiyes to rout the melee lasrs for ages and routing units rally thenselves again and again. Its far better and more fun that romes in that way. In rome routed coudl hape insantly and when one did the others wernt far behind.

Yep, if the force is balanced it seems like it takes ages for the battle to end. If they do rout they come back very soon and then you go back to finally breaking their morale via them being dead tired.

[LacertonisUnis]

I agree. Its pretty pathetic how little they fixed it all up from RTW. I've seen a few minor improvements, but largely its unchanged. Enemy armies collapse within moments of engagement and show next to zero intelligence beforehand. I'm still having fun...but I expected change.

I'm on vh/vh and its a breeze in battles. The only challenge is that the whole world is against me for no reason.

Agreed... I'm having fun, but the AI is just as braindead as it was in RTW. I REALLY hope the soup it up in a patch, and make it more agressive on the battlefield (they send 3 units at a time while they cavalry sits there and waits... Excuse me? And they refuse to attack you?).

On VH/VH the only reason I lose is because I get overrun on the campaign map and can't drag up any money- my armies can hold out forever unless they face multiple battles outnumbered.

Routing seems balanced to me- in fact I think it takes MORE effort to break their line (without a massive cavalry charge) than it did in RTW.

[lawngnome]

I think morale has been improved over vanilla RTW... and that strategy sort of goes down the drain real fast when the HRE brings 14 units of Armored Sergeants and 6 units of Chivalric Knights straight at you... I haven't had the same experience, safe to say.

[Scarlett Letterman]

Its definetly improved over vanilla RTW, which was brutal, but I would still prefer slightly better morale and slower kill rates personally.

[lawngnome]

Yeah, maybe killrate reduced by 50% and morale improved 50%, but RTW needed like a 100% correction for each

[jaklei]

but the losses of your own forces are quite formidable.
And the battle-AI is much improved and launches quite alot of tactical suprises but the "meele-only" and siege tactics are pretty much just ********.

[Favre]

This is true, an awesome improement over RTW. In RTW you could kill and armyu of 1500 using this technique and lsoe only 30 or so guys. And this was if the enemy army was good, on VH. If the enemy army was crap you could lose al low as 10 men.

Anyways, This needs to be fixed asap my MTR

[italiano]

Morale is fine as it is.

5 infantry and 15 cav? What did you expect? CA should have made cav and elite units replenish less quickly.

[DavidtheDuke]

Morale is fine as it is.

5 infantry and 15 cav? What did you expect? CA should have made cav and elite units replenish less quickly.

Good thing this will be moddable, since I'm sure you can make knights slightly rare (and expensive), regardless.

[aves]

First thing I'll do is increase moral by 50% once we can mod

[issues]

I too have noticed if you swing a hefty size of calvary behind the enemy they seem to run for the hills quite faster. Although, I also see them run back to me after a while and restart the fight (no rally horn) with a greater drive to kill me. Which I love since it NEVER happened in RTW.

[InferiorBeing]

First thing I'll do is increase morale by 50% once we can mod

Amen!

[NinjaCool]

Agreed, AI have a tendency to rout too easily.

[chewietobbacca]

Well, of course they'll rout quickly if you swing 15 cavalry units behind them... but that's also largely an issue of the enemy composition and so on

When fighting a more balanced infantry battle, though, trust me - morale seems slow as hell to change, especially since even being highly advanced troops you can lose 60% just to kill all 100%

[Filip_bre]

i play with moral off; so the ennemi or myself will flee only when there is no hope and when eva you feel like. Your units will fight back if they are caught, and wont act stupidly like if they were routing coz low moral, + the game lasts so much longer and the units wont flee for not particular reason. SO much better, Try
the only problem is that there r no prisoners when moral set to off.