WOW! AI is pretty impressive

[MasterAdnin]

I have been playing a Polish campaign for what, 127+ turns, and from the 60th turn up has been hell. I have very little income, and am attacked from all sides. I am currently at war with the Holy Roman Empire, Denmark, and Milan. I was beating back all of them until some cash flow problems and I am now on the defensive. I'm going to sell some cities to the Papal States to make a border. Also, I just checked the diplomacy screen to see who I was allied with and could ask for help, and I just realized that all three, the Holy Roman Empire, Denmark, and Milan are all allied and have been carrying out allied attacks on me. I was wondering why the Holy Roman Empire was attacking only the East, Denmark only the North, and Milan only the South.

Oh yea, to add to my troubles, I am now at war with Hungary. This a very interesting campaign. Oh yea, BTW, I have only 4000 Florins. Need more cash, and quick. Any ideas? Any ideas on how to raise a strong army to fight back with 4000 florins?


Salaam,
Adnan

[DarkGhost89]

Partition of Poland FTW

[warchief_ryan]

Good to see a post not *****ing about the AI or some bug.

[dearmad]

To OP: What diff lvl?

[MasterAdnin]

To OP: What diff lvl?

The thing that hit me the most was the difficulty, it was at Medium difficulty, and that too, I used to play Rome on very hard.

Salaam,
Adnan

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Playing on VH/VH can be a bit of a challenge with cashflow. Unfortunately it also completely removes diplomacy and assures AI bullying. I'm not sure I would call it impressive but it is the only level to play.

Play defensively and send a couple of spys out to spot under-garrisoned enemy castle/city and beseige it with whatever minimal army you can. Next turn sack the settlement and destroy all the building for cash. Move on to the next opportunity or return to your nearest settlement to retrain. When you have enough cash get another small army to take some secure rebel cities to expand eg crimea.

Keep this strategy and eventually the enemies will succumb.

[ML101]

I hate fighting the egyptians in the desert... I as the HRE have no quick light calvary.... So my knights I invest so heavily in get pwned by Mamluks... Mamluks that circle and pester my troops... And then there are more Mamluks that hack up my remaining troops I know I should use crossbowmen but money is tight and I have to invest in my other cities

[MasterAdnin]

I hate fighting the egyptians in the desert... I as the HRE have no quick light calvary.... So my knights I invest so heavily in get pwned by Mamluks... Mamluks that circle and pester my troops... And then there are more Mamluks that hack up my remaining troops I know I should use crossbowmen but money is tight and I have to invest in my other cities

Yes, never fight the Muslim factions when you don't have enough money. I went on a crusade and took Jerusalem and when I got the city under control I sent out a small army to patrol, it was made up of crossbow men, light cavalry, and spear men. I soon got my ass kicked by the Turkish horse archers who literally ran circles around my spear men. lol Again, only face when you can recruit large heavy armies.

salaam,
Adnan

[Pnutmaster]

The Holy Roman Empire, Denmark, and Milan are all allied and have been carrying out allied attacks on me.

If only the player could coordinate attacks with his allies...
Imagine 'requesting assistance' against a specific settlement.

Before you say it, no, the Crusades don't cut it, though they are indeed the closest form of cooperation between the AI and the player.

Need more cash, and quick

Have you considered 'Jedi Merchants'? There's nothing like consuming the competition and acquiring gold by the thousands.

[MasterAdnin]

If only the player could coordinate attacks with his allies...
Imagine 'requesting assistance' against a specific settlement.

Before you say it, no, the Crusades don't cut it, though they are indeed the closest form of cooperation between the AI and the player.

I wasn't going to say the crusades, but today I had sieged a city, forgot the name, is like Awyer or something like that, close to Denmark, anyway, I had sieged it and the Holy Roman Empire came to assist me as I have a couple of campaigns, this one I'm Denmark. I then assaulted it and the HOly Roman Empire helped out as well, they took many casualties, but got many kills as well.

Have you considered 'Jedi Merchants'? There's nothing like consuming the competition and acquiring gold by the thousands.

Jedi Merchants??

Salaam,
Adnan

[Pnutmaster]

This thread explains it all.

The nickname really suits the unit.

[Tovi]

I've play poland and had the same problem. But they were not so often ally, sometime at war together.
I just stay in defense in Magdebourg-Vienne-Budapest-Prague
I Had a lot of arbalester and sally cities siege. Because of the passive bug it's very easy to beat huge armies this way.

[a8686]

Thats the thing about catholic nations at war with eachother.. I had a few enemies allied against me, till one got excomunicated and I had the pope launch a crusade on them.. Amazing how fast they don't care about you anymore

[Comrade]

Yeah, for all the griping I must say Very Hard/Very Hard has offered something Rome never did on any difficulty: a challenge. Byzantium has been a blast, even including the passive AI defect which hampers the cavalry archer heavy Eastern warfare.

[Swe_gamer]

Whats so impressive about the AI attacking you from all sides and still doesn´t win? In my campaigns it also seems the AI is repeating the same moves/patterns if you replay with the same faction. I have not yet seen any faction elimination except the ones I dispose of. When I go to the Middle East there is hardly any units defending the cities, though there are armies roaming the deserts... This game is far too easy, atleast for me.

In the current state I would say this game is worse in many ways when it comes to battle and campaign AI compared to BI and the patched version of RTW. Has anyone actually lost a campaign, even on VH? I´ve hardly lost a battle, and no it´s nothing I am proud of, rather depressed.

[dearmad]

I agree that the AI defends it's cities like I would defend a murderer... not at all. This needs some serious patch help.

AI Armies should not roam but should have a purpose. And the many many many small (1-2) unit armies roaming around? -sigh-

[Inhuman One]

rebels defend their cities and castles fiercely though. I am playing on easy/easy just because I am not that good at it and they can be quite tough still. Its definatly harder than rome.

I was playing as the HRE and attacked Bern with 4 units of armoured sargeants, 4 units of spear sargeants, 1 balista, 2 peasant archer units, 2 groups of mailed knights and a general with his bodyguards. In total my army was twice as big as that of the rebels and they didnt have any tougher troops than mine.

the siege I used was 3 ladders at the front, 2 siegetowers at the side and a battering ram for the gate. They destroyed the battering ram and siege towers before they got at the walls and their cavalry attacked my spearmen when they came close with ladders, they never did that with rome so I didnt count on that. I was very happy to see them do such things. I had to send reinforcements to deal with the cavalry quickly, and send in my mailed knights. All my soldiers were shot at from above by crossbowmen, and they also marched some spearmen out of the city to attack my cavalry. they got affraid and ran away though.

The cavalry was scared off as well and after that they all stayed in their castle. my infantry moved up the walls, 4 units of spear sargeants and 4 units of armored sargeants and they all got defeated. I withdrew from the battle since my archers would be no match for them, I managed to save 1 unit of sargeants in total with the withdrawal.

I do think that units can be rather bugged since I often get beaten up by weak units, while my units are clearly superiour.

[Cadmium77]

Siege AI is definitely a lot more robust in M2TW than RTW both on the defense and the offense. My eyes popped out when I saw the attack on my castle for the first time in M2TW. Not a boring battle at all.

[Wurfspiess]

Siege AI is definitely a lot more robust in M2TW than RTW both on the defense and the offense. My eyes popped out when I saw the attack on my castle for the first time in M2TW. Not a boring battle at all.

Aye thats true

[Klink]

I actually lost a bridge battle defending against equal numbers. How bout that.

They just charged! No diggity.