The 2 remaining faction slots

[Rad]

As far as we are concerned in the EBII team, the Getai are distinct from the Thracians. That's why they have separate rosters and spheres of influence. Though the Thracians are part of the Getai's core roster. They will be able to recruit many of the new Thracian units you've seen on the Twitter feed from their factional government buildings.

What do you mean by distinct and why? I stated that they are either part of, or related to the Thracians. "Related to" could mean distinct, and I have no objections to them being distinct, but I want to hear the reason behind it.

[inforc]

I'd like to thank all the contributors to this thread (but especially Genava) for their interesting comments. It takes time to write posts that is properly researched and well-informed.

[Barnabas]

I understand what the Getae stand for now after reading the remarks and checking some online resources.. My other question remain though, people who voted Thracian, what is meant by that in this poll? Do you guys meant to have a faction of confed between smaller tribes as I can see from the map posted in this thread? Do you guys propose a specific Thracian tribe to be included?

Also wanted to say that I really enjoy reading debates and posts in EBII forum, both in terms of how people explain themselves quiet clear and in terms of people being respectful to one another even when they are not for that opinion, I believe this is rare on internet

[QWE_asd]

A rebel faction or a non-nomadic eastern faction in Iran.

[alex33]

I for myself thought of the odryssian kingdom. It would be nice to restore it to its former glory. and it actually lasted quite long. But i've checked an old thread of mine at the org where i asked the same question and the dev's said while interesting it's very unlikely bc the thracians lack unity and the team lacks a dedicated historian on thracians.

I'm still against adding a faction in the near east. There are many factions there already.

Kudos to Genava your posts are quite awesome. I've updated the first post to include what the eb team is looking for when including a new faction!

[Cohors_Evocata]

I for myself thought of the odryssian kingdom. It would be nice to restore it to its former glory. and it actually lasted quite long. But i've checked an old thread of mine at the org where i asked the same question and the dev's said while interesting it's very unlikely bc the thracians lack unity and the team lacks a dedicated historian on thracians.

I'm still against adding a faction in the near east. There are many factions there already.

Kudos to Genava your posts are quite awesome. I've updated the first post to include what the eb team is looking for when including a new faction!

Another problem with creating a Thracian faction is the muddled and uncertain state of Thrace at the start of the game. A good example of this being the question as to when Seuthopolis was destroyed. One option is that the settlement ended sometime in the first quarter of the third century BCE, which would fit nicely with the theory that it was destroyed by the Galatians. Another option however is that the city lasted until about 250 BCE and was besieged and destroyed in a campaign of an Antiochos of the Seleucid Empire. This is but one example, but as far as I'm aware something like this goes for the rest of the region as well. The Odrysians may have remained independent or they may have become subject to the Galatians at Tylis (the location and extent of power of which are uncertain as well).

I should note that I wrote this post of the top of my head on the basis of the research I did for my attempt to write a description for the Odrysai region (which, I'm sorry to say EB team, I've put in the fridge for now, though I intend to give it a second try sometime in the future) a few months ago. If anyone has more complete or newer information on the matter, I'd be interested to read it.

EDIT: I believe something similar is also the case for the Ardiaei, who may have been subject to Epeiros at the start of the game and whose pre-expansion extent of power is also debatable, though my only source for this is 'The Illyrians' by John Wilkes.

[gabeman27]

This is Sparta?

[Imperial Eagle]

How powerful were the Veneti at the time? They could make for an interesting faction as a mix between Illyrian, Celtic, and Italic influences, also as an early block to Rome. Their historical circumstances as Roman allies does hinder this however.

[DurinElminpietra]

Veneti were a bit more powerful than Insubres or cisalpine Boii. They probably didn't form a cohesive nation until the end of the III century a.C. and they never showed the will to expand. There's a couple of interesting units (cavalry and spearmen) that could be concept as mercenaries but I think a faction wouldn't meet EB's requirements.

I'm just graduating with a thesis on preroman Patavium's military history. This this is the result of my research.

p.s. I apologize for my bad english

[QuintusSertorius]

We will eventually have a Histro-Venetic unit or two, but they're low priority. For now, you'll have to make do with the placeholder roster in Patava (closing a hole I'd left there before, when I removed the hidden_resource celtic from it).

[Venetus]

Massilia would be a great faction to play with. Its capital in southern Gaul and colonies in Spain(Emporion was it?).

[Trarco]

Massilia would be a great faction to play with. Its capital in southern Gaul and colonies in Spain(Emporion was it?).

As can be seen from the productions of coins, Emporion was an independent city ca.550 B.C. when the Neapolis was founded. Emporion took advantage of the fact that the city of Massalia had lost her economic strength by the fact that transition from Hallstatt to La Tene causing the Mediterranean's center of economic gravity shifts east (north of Italy, etc.). Then Massalia founded Rhode to compensate the loss of influence.

Sorry for my bad english: it is difficult to explain this in simple grammatical expressions so I've made mistakes.

[Venetus]

That early. I didn't know that. Still, the founders of Emporion did come from Massilia and were greek, am I right? If that is so, they could be presented as a single faction in EB" just like Athens and Sparta.

[QuintusSertorius]

That early. I didn't know that. Still, the founders of Emporion did come from Massilia and were greek, am I right? If that is so, they could be presented as a single faction in EB" just like Athens and Sparta.

Common founding origin - both were settled by colonists from Phocaea/Phokaia. As was a colony at Aleria/Alalia, though they were driven out after losing a conflict with Carthage.

[Trarco]

Massalia founded Emporion as a "market", after Emporion beacome a polis (Neapolis) with a greater freedom of action. ca.V-IV B.C., Emporion was most closely associated with Athens instead of Massalia (commercial aspect) and ca.III B.C. Emporion was most closely associated with Carthage instead of Massalia. Massalia and Emporion were essentially in competition with each other, that's why Rhode was founded by Massalia near Emporion; Rhode was the natural enemy of Emporion.

I am a Spanish historian who makes a thesis on the Iberian peoples but my English is not very good I just wish I speak a better English to talk to you.

[QuintusSertorius]

Massalia founded Emporion as a "market", after Emporion beacome a polis (Neapolis) with a greater freedom of action. ca.V-IV B.C., Emporion was most closely associated with Athens instead of Massalia (commercial aspect) and ca.III B.C. Emporion was most closely associated with Carthage instead of Massalia. Massalia and Emporion were essentially in competition with each other, that's why Rhode was founded by Massalia near Emporion; Rhode was the natural enemy of Emporion.

I am a Spanish historian who makes a thesis on the Iberian peoples but my English is not very good I just wish I speak a better English to talk to you.

What is your knowledge of the period like? Are there any particular areas you've researched?

We have Spanish-speaking team members, if it's easier to communicate more complex stuff in your native tongue, if you're interested in contributing to the mod. We don't have an Iberian specialist any more, someone with a focus in this area would be welcome.

[Trarco]

What is your knowledge of the period like? Are there any particular areas you've researched?

We have Spanish-speaking team members, if it's easier to communicate more complex stuff in your native tongue, if you're interested in contributing to the mod. We don't have an Iberian specialist any more, someone with a focus in this area would be welcome.

I have a bachelor's degree (I think it is the term) in History, and now I'm studying for my master's degree in Ancient History. My particular areas are the Iberian Period and the Phoenicians from the Iberian Peninsula, on the other hand Celtiberians, Vacceos and Vettones, as secondary. Finally Callaeci, Turduli and Celtici to a lesser extent. I have got a lot of spanish bibliography,too. Of course, I'm glad I could help you if you want and I prefer my native tongue for complex stuff like the archeology concepts, thank you very much


Thank you very much inforc

[QuintusSertorius]

I have a bachelor's degree (I think it is the term) in History, and now I'm studying for my master's degree in Ancient History. My particular areas are the Iberian Period and the Phoenicians from the Iberian Peninsula, on the other hand Celtiberians, Vacceos and Vettones, as secondary. Finally Callaeci, Turduli and Celtici to a lesser extent. I have got a lot of spanish bibliography,too. Of course, I'm glad I could help you if you want and I prefer my native tongue for complex stuff like the archeology concepts, thank you very much


Thank you very much inforc

Our internal forum is over on The Org - if you don't already have an account there, could you make one and post in this thread, so we can get you there?

[Trarco]

Our internal forum is over on The Org - if you don't already have an account there, could you make one and post in this thread, so we can get you there?

done!

[Trarco]

I cannot edit my post so: became*

P.S. I love Massalia as a faction, Massalia can conquer Emporion, after that, the polis will fight for phocean hegemony in Mediterranean Sea, again.