The Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia

[Sweik]

- The third picture, the axemen, is supposed to depict warriors from at least one century earlier, afaik.

Here is a manuscript showing (I think a Cilician king) adressing his soldiers wearing more traditional armors, I'm not sure if this is from the time period of the mod though.

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The armors look like that from the third picture, maybe you can do something with this.

[Totalimmortal]

@ Sweik :

1.) The Levy units, Mountaineer unit and Armenian Spearmen are not wearing proper clothing.

- I`ll see what I can do about that

2.) The Azat and Horse Archers could have some neck protection I think, like the Armenian Heavy Infantry, shields on the back would be nice.

- I gave them coifs . They already have shields on their back.

3.) The Armenian Heavy Infantry unit could be a full sword unit, no axes since armenians always used swords. Or a complete other unit with swords is a possibility. Could you give these unit(s) boots?

- I removed the axes , and gave them swords.

Here are some pictures that you could use for new units.

- Yes, I saw these pictures before. The knight unit is actually inspired by this cavalry. The third picture, the axemen, is supposed to depict warriors from at least one century earlier, afaik.

4.) Oh and one last thing, could you please, please make the Armenians look like actual Caucasians? that would make much more sense.

- I removed the eastern skins and gave them "whiter" appearance

Wow, not only are you guys producing an outstanding and one of the most (if not the most) anticipated Attila mods so far, but replies like these from the mod team really shows me that you guys are more than just skilled modders, you are willing to listen, judge and actually change things (for the better in most cases, IMO) based on the feedback from the fans, without being arrogant/closed minded about it, that tells a lot Ofc, not ALL suggestions should be taken without research and consideration, but I think you guys already know that, plus that dude Sweik was right about those suggestions in this case
Just dropped by to wish you guys best of luck, can't wait to get my hands on this in the future, then i can finally stop playing Medieval 2

[Sir_Pee_Alot]

Why do levy archers have two types of bows and not just one? I mean don't you want as archers all want to shoot the same distance. If they where peasants i can understand but a trained group of archers will shoot with the same bows no?

[Djura]

I agree, Armenians should be whiter

[Danishmend]

^Also, keep in mind that the illustrations/miniatures cannot be used as a reference for phenotypes, you can see Japanese-looking Persian heroes in Persian miniatures for example.

[Sweik]

Why do levy archers have two types of bows and not just one? I mean don't you want as archers all want to shoot the same distance. If they where peasants i can understand but a trained group of archers will shoot with the same bows no?

They are peasants I think.

I agree, Armenians should be whiter

Someone agrees with me, just more Caucasian looking would be great

[Sweik]

I don't want to start a discussion about the manuscript. The Armenians were allied with the mongols at that time. From what I know the soldiers in that manuscript were Armenians (with some of their Mongol allies maybe)
and as I said the banner with the two hexagrams is Armenian. I could be wrong of course. Anyway I used the manuscript just as a simple example because the current Armenian units in my opinion are not of the right race.

[Vardano]

Great job, man! More units to expect before the release of this mod? : )

[diamutene]

Very very very good work and mod thank you. Do you think add Nakharar Infantry (like that)? This faction and Seljuks are playable?

[Sweik]

The Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia Faction Info

Hi guys. Over time iv'e gathered some pictures and info about this faction. I'll just post it here so you can use it in case you guys continue to work on this faction...


The ranks and titles in Armenian Cilicia:

Royal family:

-Tagavor (King)

-Taguhi (Queen)

-Avag Sepuh (Crown Prince)

-Arkayazn (Prince)

-Arkayadustr (Princess)

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Nobility:

-Ishkhan (Prince)

-Ishkhanuhi (Princess)

-Nakharar (Baron)


Armenian Apostolic Church:

-Catholicos (Patriarch)

-Archyepiskopos (Archbishop)

-Yepiskopos (Bishop)

-Kahana (Priest)


Military:

-Sparapet (Commander-in-chief)

-Bdeshkh (Regional Administrator)

-Zoravar (General)

-Aspet (Knight)


The People:

-Aznavur (Nobleman)

-Azat/Aznvakan (Free people)

-Anazat ramik (Artisans and Merchants)

-Shinakan (The masses)

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(Ignore the Arab travelers below)

The Military Units of Armenian Cilicia:

Bodyguard Units:

-Royal Guard (Royalty)

-Sparapet's Bodyguard (Commander-in-chief)

-Zoravar's Bodyguard (General)

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Traditional Cavalry Unit's:

-Nakharar Noble's (Elite Shock)

-Aspet Cavalry (Heavy)

-Azat Cavalry (Medium)

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Western-influenced Cavalry Units:

-Khachakir Cavalry (Heavy)

-Serzhant Cavalry (Medium)


Missile Cavalry:

-Aznvakan Skirmishers (Skirmish)

-Turkoman Horse Archers (Foreign)


Traditional Infantry Units:

-Azat Swordsmen (Medium Swordsmen)

-Axemen (Medium Axemen)

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Western-influenced Infantry Units:

-Khachakir (Crusader) Swordsmen (Medium Swordsmen)


Traditional Spear Units:

-Kentronakan Spearmen (Elite Spears)

-Sahmanapah Spearmen (Medium Spears)

-Shinakan Spearmen (Levy)

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Western-influenced Spear Units:

-Serzhant Spearmen (Medium Spears)


Traditional Missile Unit's:

-Azat Archers (Archers)

-Shinakan Archers (Levy)


Western-influenced Missile Unit's:

-Serzhant Arbalet (Crossbows)


Late Cavalry Unit's:

-Armoured Nakharar noble's (Elite Shock)

-Armoured Aspet Cavalry (Heavy)

-Armoured Khachakir Cavalry (Heavy)

-Armoured Serzhant Cavalry (Heavy)

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Late Infantry Unit's:

-Armoured Khachakir Halberdiers (Halberd)

-Armoured Khachakir Swordsmen (Heavy)


Late Missile Unit's:

-Cilician Handgunners (Gunners)

-Naffatuns (Foreign) (Optional)


Historical flags of Armenia:

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The Flag of Prince Ruben (for all the princes)



The Flag of King levon (for all the kings)



The Banner of Cilician Hetumid dynasty (this is the banner for the units)



The Flag of Port city Ayas: (this could be the navy flag if that's even possible in-game)



The Flag of Alexandretta (city banner)



The Flags of Corycus (nice for shields)



The Banner of Tarsus (city banner)

The Architecture of Cilician Armenia:

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A Castle built by King Levon II


Another Castle


The Fortress on the coast of Corycus

I'll start posting more pictures and unit info soon... You guys won't mind if go too deep into the details about the current and future units?

[Sweik]

Reposting the missing pictures:

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The flag of the Prince of the faction



The flag of the King of the faction



The banner of the Cilician units



The flag of the port city of Ayas (this could be the navy flag if that's even possible in-game)



The banner of Alexandretta



The flags of Corycus (nice for shields)



The banner of Tarsus

[Visarion]

Any revamps/updates!?

[zsimmortal]

Any revamps/updates!?

They will get Tiers 2 and 3 eventually, like every other faction.

[Visarion]

"Eventually" meaning before grand release!?

[zsimmortal]

"Eventually" meaning before grand release!?

Possibly before beta release, possibly after, I can't say.