Where are all the units??

[JoeMcMullin]

Hey all, first game of SS 6.4 and I was scratching my head as the unit roster for the factions I've looked at in game (in custom battle army list) is so bare.

Where are the HRE Gothic Knights?
Where are the English variance in longbowmen?
Where are all the knights?

I've looked at both early and late era starts and England has only 16 units? No longbowmen, no select of proper knights, no cannon.

Am I missing something here?

[Sint]

Yes the real recruitment option
"In Castles, Yeoman Archers are recruited in Archery Ranges after the New Era Event in 1300."
"With Fortresses, The Holy Roman Empire recruits Gothic Knights after the Gothic Armor event in the mid-15th century and are available until the Advanced Matchlock event in mid-16th century (1550-1560)."

no cannon

Pretty hard to find before the gunpowder event...

[Roque]

We need someone to give some teeth to the scots, they're terrible, look at their units http://www.stainless-steel-mod.com/S.../Scotland.html

It's very unfair, considering what you'll be getting from England, oh so.. we got som pikes, lets defend forever

-Englishboi; Sir, it seems the scottish yoke is playing defence, they got 60 stacks of units in their cities, why dey not attacking?

-English noble; Bah! let 'em stay at their capital, we'll sort them eventually, we gotta take care of this french invasion in CAEN!

-Norway voyagers; Hallo scottish, is this where y'all havin' da biggest party? we've come to join ya

Effect = Norway invades with 40 stacks of vikings fully armoured, england attacks with 29 stacks of units, I lost my capital in a flash, I lost the second town and then the english declared war on Norway and was left with only the castle and red income, so my point is; How do you even play as scotland? hahaha they fall like butter one by one, it's painful to watch

[Lucem Mundum]

We need someone to give some teeth to the scots, they're terrible, look at their units http://www.stainless-steel-mod.com/S.../Scotland.html

It's very unfair, considering what you'll be getting from England, oh so.. we got som pikes, lets defend forever

-Englishboi; Sir, it seems the scottish yoke is playing defence, they got 60 stacks of units in their cities, why dey not attacking?

-English noble; Bah! let 'em stay at their capital, we'll sort them eventually, we gotta take care of this french invasion in CAEN!

-Norway voyagers; Hallo scottish, is this where y'all havin' da biggest party? we've come to join ya

Effect = Norway invades with 40 stacks of vikings fully armoured, england attacks with 29 stacks of units, I lost my capital in a flash, I lost the second town and then the english declared war on Norway and was left with only the castle and red income, so my point is; How do you even play as scotland? hahaha they fall like butter one by one, it's painful to watch

The unit roster of the Islamic factions are even worse, almost nothing is added to them, and their skins are copy paste. They need a massive rework in both design and amount of unit types.

[Lucem Mundum]

Kievs, Cumans, and the Mongols are the best in terms of the units' design and uniqueness. It seems a lot of love was put into them.

[anonymous_(\)008]

Kievs, Cumans, and the Mongols are the best in terms of the units' design and uniqueness. It seems a lot of love was put into them.

yep, add novgorod and ERE. One of the reasons i liked playing as the eastern factions. Their units look much more better. I think they came from one russian mod, that i forgot the name of..

[Riva]

We need someone to give some teeth to the scots, they're terrible, look at their units http://www.stainless-steel-mod.com/S.../Scotland.html

It's very unfair, considering what you'll be getting from England, oh so.. we got som pikes, lets defend forever

-Englishboi; Sir, it seems the scottish yoke is playing defence, they got 60 stacks of units in their cities, why dey not attacking?

-English noble; Bah! let 'em stay at their capital, we'll sort them eventually, we gotta take care of this french invasion in CAEN!

-Norway voyagers; Hallo scottish, is this where y'all havin' da biggest party? we've come to join ya

Effect = Norway invades with 40 stacks of vikings fully armoured, england attacks with 29 stacks of units, I lost my capital in a flash, I lost the second town and then the english declared war on Norway and was left with only the castle and red income, so my point is; How do you even play as scotland? hahaha they fall like butter one by one, it's painful to watch

See it as a challenge, playing a small faction surrounded by enemies can be fun. But you are right, the scottish roster is one of the most "underdeveloped" ones in this mod.

They should at least have access to some late game units, such as (Foot) Men at Arms, Mounted Arquebusiers, Late Musketeers, Pistoliers and maybe even Chivalric Knights.
The design and skins however seems fine (even if they are from the original game), i could not think of what to change in this case.

[Roque]

@Lucem Mundum; I don't play with the Cumans very much because I'm not very good with cavalry, it requires a lot of management, and I thought the Cumans were one of the weirdest factions, now that you said they're cool, I might reconsider and give 'em a try, the moorish/seljuks have a fairly moderate troop tree. but they're a pain to play with, they're always at what with 4/3 different factions

@Riva, yeah.. someone needs to take the mantle and create a sub-mod, early game is quite unfun because you need to wait a lot of time, in my case 1 year per 2 turns, but that extends my time required for world domination, the Scots are interesting in their theme, but their armies are lacky, not worthy of consideration, whilst the english are quite inventive, while you are at Edinburgh, defending it, they create the most varied armies I've fought, the only problem is the inevitable invasion of Norway, no matter what, you send a diplomat there and they be like: " Less talkin' moar raidin' " and allies with me, and then turn 20 they be like: " I will drink from your skull " kills my king and sacks my capital

Overall, I wish there was a active modder to take our whishes and expand Stainless Steel, it's getting quite old ;/