Problem with "add_settlement_turmoil" command

[Miguel_80]

Hello everyone. In the preparation of a campaign, I used this command in scripts to provoke rebellions in settlements. But now I have problems depending on the percentage of religion or buildings are exists in the city.

In theory the number of the "add_settlement_turmoil" command is the number of turns.

Identifier:    add_settlement_turmoil
Parameters:    settlement_name, num_turns
Description:    Adds turmoil to the settlement, will decrease per turn.
Sample use:    add_settlement_turmoil London 5
Class:    ADD_SETTLEMENT_TURMOIL

But in practice it's different and the script don't works me. Example:

add_settlement_turmoil Leon 5

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add_settlement_turmoil Leon 10

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add_settlement_turmoil Leon 50

and

add_settlement_turmoil Leon 75

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add_settlement_turmoil Leon 99

change_population_religion spain heretic 15 catholic
add_settlement_turmoil Leon 99

Voilà!

change_population_religion spain heretic 15 catholic
add_settlement_turmoil Leon 99

But, not so fast. With buildings in city not "voilà"

And with reducing the rate of tax, less still...

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Besides I don't understand why no rebellion with 80% of unrest, I can't allow to modify both religion.

Does anyone have any suggestion with this command? Thanks

[Gigantus]

In my experience the number is for the level of turmoil and it maxes out at 80 (see your pic), never checked how long the turmoil lasts. It doesn't cause a riot on it's own, it merely reduces the existing order. It has to be a total figure low enough - if you have too many bonuses (garrison, governor, low taxes) then it will obviously not riot.

Reducing the taxes increases order. (normal 80% --> low 110% in your pics)

[Miguel_80]

Ok Gigantus, thanks for the information. Then I should add more factors to cause the rebellion. I think, think, think, this will not be so. From hidden resources causing unique traits and appearances of disruptive characters... Or appearance of temporary religious monuments (clones with heretical religion), modified disasters, etc... I am afraid that I will have to do a "Spanish botched job", but my strategy will prevail.

[Withwnar]

Never used add_settlement_turmoil myself but I have heard that it lasts for 5 turns. The docudemons might simply be wrong there about num_turns being the second parameter. It would be interesting to test that, to see if the turmoil does indeed hang around (though decreasingly so) for the number of turns that was used for the num_turns value.

One option is to script-build a special building that has some negative bonuses...

law_bonus bonus -20
population_health_bonus bonus -20
happiness_bonus bonus -20

These will reduce these bonuses (back toward zero) that are gained from traits, ancs and other buildings. I don't know of any way to counter the public order bonus received from garrison size. i.e. add_settlement_turmoil will decrease public order and this building will reduce some of the things that increase public order. Net result is even less public order but only if the settlement had any bonuses from law, population_health and happiness in the first place. e.g. If it had no Law bonus then "law_bonus bonus -20" will do nothing because Law can only go as low as zero, not into the negatives.

Of course, you will also need to destroy the building when it is no longer needed.

If you wish to always provoke rebellion (not just decrease public order with a chance of it provoking rebellion) then you could instead switch the settlement ownership to the slave faction, maybe spawning some slave units in there afterward as well (so it is not ungarrisoned).

[bitterhowl]

If I'm correct rebellion after adding turmoil may be called only after combination with provoke_rebellion. I studied this question for my submod, added 250 points of turmoil with no effects at current turn and 2-3 next turns. Or when I added 5-10 turmoil points to settlement each turn, I got rebellion after 6-8 turns. Combination with provoke_rebellion command solved my problem.

[Withwnar]

Ah yes, provoke_rebellion. I haven't used that either but found this: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...n-script-works

Looks like provoke_rebellion only works if public order is low, so reducing public order (via add_settlement_turmoil and/or other means) is still needed. But still not guaranteed to work, I assume, i.e. if the settlement had such high public order to begin with that those public order reductions aren't enough to take the total to below 70%. So in summary, if the settlement has low public order then without provoke_rebellion it might rebel and with provoke_rebellion it will rebel (?).

[Miguel_80]

Exactly Withwnar, I had thought about the possibility of a building. It's a fairly logical choice. The problem is that the buildings are already established in the mod. I'm the scripter and should seek a solution without altering other factors of the mod. I had originally thought of invisible heretics, as the invisible princesses using by Gigantus for named stone forts. But the heretics affect enough the religion? I could put several beside the city (3, 4 or 5). It's temporal, as buildings.

In other scripts you only have to change the main religion of the faction until it loses all cities and convert in nomads and return to their main religion.


P.S: The command "provoke_rebellion" doesn't work me. Neither, I can't depend on how the situation is in the city, if it acts that way. However I will try it.


EDIT: Don't works.

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
    and I_TurnNumber > 1

    add_settlement_turmoil Leon 75

    terminate_monitor
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnEnd FactionType slave
    and I_TurnNumber > 2

    provoke_rebellion Leon
    log always PR

    terminate_monitor
end_monitor

12:50:55.575 [data.missing] [warning] Cannot find the portrait path: data/ui/eastern_european/portraits/portraits/young/princesses/039.tga, using the default culture path if it exists
12:51:09.348 [game.script] [always] PR
12:52:00.831 [system.io] [warning] open: mods/Bare_Geomod/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/radar_map_background.tga is missing

[Withwnar]

How much public order did Leon have at the time?

[bitterhowl]

You should use add_settlement_turmoil and provoke_rebellion in one monitor.

[Miguel_80]

How much public order did Leon have at the time?

Do you mean the "unrest"? 80%

By the way, I did not remember, in buildings don't exist negative bonus. It serves to counteract the positive, but never be lower than 0.

You should use add_settlement_turmoil and provoke_rebellion in one monitor.

I have tried it in all ways; alone, together, to the next turn... I think that command only works in Rome 1.

[Withwnar]

Do you mean the "unrest"? 80%

No, the public order:



The thread I linked to said that provoke_rebellion only works if that number is below 70%.

...in buildings don't exist negative bonus. It serves to counteract the positive, but never be lower than 0.

That's what I'm saying in my first post. Turmoil (unrest) gives negative public order, and to help (maybe) reduce public order further you can take away (reduce to zero) some of the things that give positive public order.

However, in your Leon example there does not seem to be any of the bonuses present that a building can reduce; the main thing keeping your total public order high is garrison and there's no way to reduce that. Add population maybe?

[stevietheconquer]

you mean something like this in export_buildings ;

happiness_bonus bonus -2 requires factions { spain, } and event_counter civil_war_spain_going_on 1
law_bonus bonus -1 requires factions { antioch, } and event_counter civil_war_antioch_going_on 1
religion_level bonus -10 requires factions { saxons, } and event_counter civil_war_saxons_going_on 1

[Miguel_80]

Yes, more or less. What I meant is that the negative bonus does not work, it will never go down of 0. It is used to counteract other bonuses.


EDIT: We should increase the heretic religion (for example), but is that doing such things, I will wreck the organization chart of the mod and don't think the other members seems them very funny

[Miguel_80]

No, the public order:

Ok. This is the public order, but Leon (an Spain faction) it's only an example for test the command

The thread I linked to said that provoke_rebellion only works if that number is below 70%.

If you're referring to the percentage of "unrest", I have tested it with various percentages and orders (25%, 45%, and 50%) and it doesn't work. If it refers the percentage of "public order", then the command doesn't serve me. Because I can't guess how will be the city once started the game. The objective is that a "conflictive" character in the region between and his while inside, the city must revolt yes or yes.

MY POSSIBLE SOLUTION:

export_descr_character_traits.txt

;------------------------------------------
Trait RebelLeonese
    Characters family
    Hidden

    Level Rebel_Leonese
        Description Rebel_Leonese_desc
        EffectsDescription Rebel_Leonese_effects_desc
        Threshold  1 
 
        Effect Command  1 

;------------------------------------------

descr_character.txt

type			heretic

actions			moving_normal
wage_base		0
starting_action_points	80

faction			slave
dictionary		2
strat_model		heretic

faction			russia
dictionary		2
strat_model		heretic
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

descr_model_strat.txt

type				heretic
skeleton			strat_diplomat
scale				0.7
indiv_range			40
texture				slave, models_strat/textures/heretic_christian_rebels.tga
texture				russia, models_strat/textures/heretic_christian_england.tga
model_flexi_m			models_strat/heretic.cas, max
shadow_model_flexi		models_strat/shadow_staff.CAS, max

campaign_script.txt

	monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType slave
		and I_TurnNumber > 1

		spawn_army 
			faction slave
			character	Isaac, named character, age 36, x 67, y 103, label leoneserebel, direction E
			traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , RebelLeonese 1 , ReligionStarter 1 
			unit		NE Bodyguard		exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mailed Knights		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mailed Knights		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Mailed Knights		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Spear Militia			exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Spear Militia			exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
			unit		Spear Militia		exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
		end

		historic_event world_is_round   ;;;(sorry, I didn't have time to write a message)

		terminate_monitor
	end_monitor

	monitor_event CharacterTurnStart FactionType slave
		and AgentType = named character
		and Trait RebelLeonese > 0
		and IsRegionOneOf Leon_Province
		and I_LocalFaction spain

		add_settlement_turmoil Leon 50
		spawn_character russia random_name, heretic, age 30, x 73, y 105
		spawn_character russia random_name, heretic, age 32, x 73, y 103
		spawn_character russia random_name, heretic, age 34, x 74, y 103
		spawn_character russia random_name, heretic, age 36, x 74, y 105   ;;;(The fourth is optional)
	end_monitor

SAMPLE:

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AND NOW... THE FINAL BLOW. THE TRICK OF GIGANTUS.

Transparent texture and this code in "descr_models_strat.txt"

type				heretic
skeleton			strat_diplomat
scale				0.7
indiv_range			40
texture				slave, models_strat/textures/heretic_christian_rebels.tga
texture				russia, models_strat/textures/heretic_christian_england.tga
model_flexi_m			models_strat/heretic.cas, max
shadow_model_flexi		models_strat/shadow_staff.CAS, max

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Out of sight, out of mind...

Until not die the rebellious character, will not disappear the heretics (interesting challenge for me)... At the moment it is the best option I can think.

[Withwnar]

If it refers the percentage of "public order", then the command doesn't serve me.

Public order, yes, not unrest.

Because I can't guess how will be the city once started the game.

Exactly. No matter what you do there is no guarantee that you will get the total public order down low enough to be certain that provoke_rebellion will work. Because the public order might be really high at the time that you're trying to do this thing.

If you have a free faction slot then I highly recommend using the region switcher. (Link in my first post.) I use it all of the time, and have used it for transferring a settlement to the slave faction. And as a bonus that faction (the "spawnpool" one the thread mentions) can also be used for other fancy tricks, like Unique Names (another scripting trick that I rely on a lot for all kinds of problems).

[Miguel_80]

The "spawnpool" is a good method. If you take imagination, you can create very interesting things. I've also seen other interesting scripts. I must admit that you have a great talent for make scripts.

[Miguel_80]

I think that at the end it will be more effective to use a "trap" building with transparent card and build it by script at the time that is needed.

Building:

building revolution
{
    religion heretic
    levels revolution 
    {
        revolution requires factions { slave, } 
        {
            convert_to 0
            capability
            {
                religion_level bonus 100
		law_bonus bonus -20
		population_health_bonus bonus -20
		happiness_bonus bonus -20
            }
            material wooden
            construction  4 
            cost  2000 
            settlement_min town
            upgrades
            {
            }
        }
    }
    plugins 
    {
    }
}

Script:

	monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName Cordoba
		and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = moors
		and SettlementBuildingExists = revolution
		and I_TurnNumber > 1

		add_settlement_turmoil Cordoba 75
		provoke_rebellion Cordoba
	end_monitor

	monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName Cordoba
		and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = moors
		and not SettlementBuildingExists = revolution
		and I_TurnNumber > 1

		console_command create_building Cordoba revolution
	end_monitor

	monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName Cordoba
		and I_SettlementOwner Cordoba = slave
		and SettlementBuildingExists = revolution
		and I_TurnNumber > 1

		destroy_buildings slave revolution true
	end_monitor

Sample:

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Curiously, without the "provoke_rebellion" command it takes one more turn to convert in a rebel city.

[Gigantus]

Maybe you can satisfy my curiosity if you still have that test set up: if you set that region to a difference faction in descr_regions (other then the faction owning it at the event) will it revolt to that faction?
Don't forget to delete map.rwm if you do the change.

[Miguel_80]

Are you referring to this?

Cordoba_Province
	Cordoba
	moors
	Iberian_Rebels
	17 13 198
	atlantic, explorers_guild, knights_of_santiago_chapter_house
	5
	5
	religions { catholic 25 orthodox 0 islam 65 pagan 5 heretic 5 }

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Cordoba_Province
	Cordoba
	aztecs
	Native_Rebels
	17 13 198
	atlantic, explorers_guild, knights_of_santiago_chapter_house
	5
	5
	religions { catholic 25 orthodox 0 islam 65 pagan 5 heretic 5 }

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Cordoba_Province
	Cordoba
	aztecs
	French_Rebels
	17 13 198
	atlantic, explorers_guild, knights_of_santiago_chapter_house
	5
	5
	religions { catholic 25 orthodox 0 islam 65 pagan 5 heretic 5 }

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[Gigantus]

Yes, that's the entry.
If that faction entry (line 3) is not the same as the current owner and when a revolt happens it reverts to that faction. I still remember that WTF moment in RTW when Central Anatolia revolted to the Gauls in one of my campaigns. Have seen it in M2TW a few times as well.