Laetus
Archers in M2TW
In RTW, 80 archers would fire into peasants who number 120 i think, and only 4 guys would fall, or they would fire at a spear warband, and only 3 would fall, i hope that M2TW is a little bit more realistic? from a barrage of arrows how many guys usually die? just out of curiousity?
-What we do in life echoes in eternity-
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-All they that take the sword perish with the sword-
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Decanus
Re: Archers in M2TW
Uhm realism?
So you say from your days in the legion you have seen more enemys falling from a volley?
You ask for steak, I bring you fish. You say that you think steak is better than fish. I say that fish is much more popular than steak so obviously it's better. You say that no matter how good the fish is it can't be better at being steak than the actual steak we used to serve. I say that's just your perception and you're entitled to it but you should accept that fish is the future and that's good. You begin to say something but I stab you in the eye with a fork and run into the kitchen.
Tiro
Re: Archers in M2TW
It's just the same.
Ordinarius
Re: Archers in M2TW
NO way!Originally Posted by Tovi
Archers wreak havoc if used correctly (fire into their unshielded side.)
I've taken out a whole unit of General bodyguard with just 2 units of merc crossbowmen, on VH.
Decanus
Re: Archers in M2TW
Well this is also true for RTW(exept for the x-bows of course)
Obviously the op had never Cretan Archers shooting a Phalanx from the back
You ask for steak, I bring you fish. You say that you think steak is better than fish. I say that fish is much more popular than steak so obviously it's better. You say that no matter how good the fish is it can't be better at being steak than the actual steak we used to serve. I say that's just your perception and you're entitled to it but you should accept that fish is the future and that's good. You begin to say something but I stab you in the eye with a fork and run into the kitchen.
Laetus
Re: Archers in M2TW
Im talking about head on, peasants were NOT heavily armoured and should be spliced open by a volley of arrows, all i was asking was straight on in M2TW how effective are archers? i never said i was in a legion whoever wrote that thx for that reply my 2 yr old brother already said that.
-What we do in life echoes in eternity-
In war there is no prize for the runner up
-All they that take the sword perish with the sword-
It is only the dead who have seen the end to war
-The point of war is not to die for your country but make the other guy die for his-
The death of one man is a tragedy, The death of a million is a statistic
Campidoctor
Re: Archers in M2TW
Yeah, my papal Pavise Crossbowmen wiped out the Timurids just standing on a hill behind a spear wall....The crossbowmen in M2TW are even tougher than MTW and they were often the die hards that won battles for me...
Libertus
Re: Archers in M2TW
Archers can be deadly effective, if you give them enough time to whittle down the opposing force.
Simply for ammuse ment I put a few treb units and a few archer units up on a hill against almost 3 times as many various peasant units. I turned on flamming ammo and went to town. The AI being the way it is, hardly fought back, the infantry units didn't move, and the enemy archers fired a volley every once in a while.
It was a constant barrage of fiery death from above for a good hour. Eventually I ran out of ammo and then the AI attacks. I got wiped.
I had approx 250 soldiers on the field vs 600 or so. I killed about 450 of them in the end.
That's pretty effective if you ask me, albiet kind of boring, and time consuming.
- Faelan
Knowledge is a weapon, and I intend to be formidably armed.
Ducenarius
Re: Archers in M2TW
Due to the passive bug i've seen a lot of archer fire. It seems pretty spot on to me, unarmoured units get eaten alive, given time, and armoured units can be whittle down nicely.
Decanus
Re: Archers in M2TW
Haha true.
i experimented with cannons this way (Mortars rock)
You ask for steak, I bring you fish. You say that you think steak is better than fish. I say that fish is much more popular than steak so obviously it's better. You say that no matter how good the fish is it can't be better at being steak than the actual steak we used to serve. I say that's just your perception and you're entitled to it but you should accept that fish is the future and that's good. You begin to say something but I stab you in the eye with a fork and run into the kitchen.
Libertus
Re: Archers in M2TW
xbows!
I forgot about them.
They are bloody deadly.
- Faelan
Knowledge is a weapon, and I intend to be formidably armed.
Laetus
Re: Archers in M2TW
that stupid x should be directly in front of the other x, stupid x's
-What we do in life echoes in eternity-
In war there is no prize for the runner up
-All they that take the sword perish with the sword-
It is only the dead who have seen the end to war
-The point of war is not to die for your country but make the other guy die for his-
The death of one man is a tragedy, The death of a million is a statistic
Decanus
Re: Archers in M2TW
But to answer this poor mans question i would say an avergae unit of archers against an average foe on average circumstances kills 0-4 man per volley
You ask for steak, I bring you fish. You say that you think steak is better than fish. I say that fish is much more popular than steak so obviously it's better. You say that no matter how good the fish is it can't be better at being steak than the actual steak we used to serve. I say that's just your perception and you're entitled to it but you should accept that fish is the future and that's good. You begin to say something but I stab you in the eye with a fork and run into the kitchen.
Libertus
Re: Archers in M2TW
This sounds about right.
- Faelan
Knowledge is a weapon, and I intend to be formidably armed.
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: Archers in M2TW
for their price, and their taking up a slot in your army, i believe archers to be weak solely in their ranged abilities. arquebusiers are apparently insanely accurate and when compared to tier 3 longbowmen it makes them look like they are wasting a slot in your army. the high arc firing is amusing to watch really, i'd rather have them NOT use it. that way they save their ammo instead of having arrows land dozens of meters away
Libertus
Re: Archers in M2TW
The real key to using archers is use them for what they are intended. Support.
- Faelan
Knowledge is a weapon, and I intend to be formidably armed.
Re: Archers in M2TW
peasants have no armor and no shields.
realistically, facing a volley of arrows - a cloud of arrows falling on them from the sky - they would be massacred.
units with shields, i would understand 4-6 units die per volley. some shields are penetrated, some dont get them up in time, some arrows deflect, etc.
but peasants? wtf do they do, dodge the arrows like neo in the matrix?
2 groups of skilled archers firing on a group of peasants should kill half of them instantly. peasants should be good for cannon fodder and tying up enemy melee infantry, but thats about it. any unarmored unit without a shield should be decimated by arrow volleys.
Decanus
Re: Archers in M2TW
Its funny
all those guys talking about realism here when everything in this game is an abstraction
Can i have a slim chance of a meteor hiting earth in the game?
this would be realistic too
You ask for steak, I bring you fish. You say that you think steak is better than fish. I say that fish is much more popular than steak so obviously it's better. You say that no matter how good the fish is it can't be better at being steak than the actual steak we used to serve. I say that's just your perception and you're entitled to it but you should accept that fish is the future and that's good. You begin to say something but I stab you in the eye with a fork and run into the kitchen.
Libertus
Re: Archers in M2TW
Hahaha!
I want this too!
- Faelan
Knowledge is a weapon, and I intend to be formidably armed.
Re: Archers in M2TW
lmao, you just made me spit coffee out of my nose.
i hardly think that asking that more than 3 unarmored, unskilled, shieldless peasants die when a cloud of 300 arrows rains down upon their heads is comparable to asking that meteorites fall to earth occasionally
the peasants must be ninjas.
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