Discussion and Debate Community Thread

[Cyclops]

Nah, everyone needs to know that the fascists larping as defenders of Christianity are in fact vile unbelievers.

Yes they're as bad as the nitwits who sneer "Communism" when someone suggests a basic wage. Nesxt they will want chimney sweeps who aren't 5 year old orphans!
BTW we need sarcasm smilies, someone though you were being sincere here and accusing Trump's penis of being fascist. .

[Prodromos]

Yes they're as bad as the nitwits who sneer "Communism" when someone suggests a basic wage. Nesxt they will want chimney sweeps who aren't 5 year old orphans!
BTW we need sarcasm smilies, someone though you were being sincere here and accusing Trump's penis of being fascist. .

m8, I posted a credible eyewitness account showing the moral corruption of a public leader who gets much of his support from people who think he's the guardian of Christian morality. You responded by dismissing the story as "gossip" and talking about penises. I don't think I'm the one who needs to clarify whether or not he's joking.

[Heathen Hammer]

Compared to neolib/neocon globalists that initiate foreign wars and plan to assassinate foreign journalists for exposing them, I would say Trump is indeed a guardian of Christian morality, at least with the thou shalt not kill part.

[Prodromos]

Compared to neolib/neocon globalists

God is the standard of morality, not "neolib/neocon globalists" (whatever that is).

I would say Trump is indeed a guardian of Christian morality, at least with the thou shalt not kill part.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/u...rder-wars.html

Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate. He wanted the wall electrified, with spikes on top that could pierce human flesh. After publicly suggesting that soldiers shoot migrants if they threw rocks, the president backed off when his staff told him that was illegal. But later in a meeting, aides recalled, he suggested that they shoot migrants in the legs to slow them down. That’s not allowed either, they told him.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/polit...ies/index.html

(CNN) — Donald Trump said Wednesday that he would kill the families of terrorists in order to win the fight against ISIS.

The billionaire businessman was asked by the hosts of Fox News’ “Fox and Friends” how to fight ISIS but also minimize civilian causalities when terrorists often use human shields.

“The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don’t kid yourself. When they say they don’t care about their lives, you have to take out their families,” Trump said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...mbined-2020-10

President Donald Trump may have ordered more attacks in Yemen than all previous US presidents combined, according to a report from the monitoring group Airwars.

While campaigning against "forever wars," Trump has loosened rules of engagement in the global war on terror, dramatically escalating airstrikes and ground raids in Yemen and elsewhere.

The most intense period of US strikes came in 2017, Trump's first year in office, beginning with a commando raid that left an 8-year-old girl dead.

"Earlier on in his presidency, we saw record numbers of both airstrikes and reported civilian harm in multiple theaters, fueled by Trump's stated intent to 'take the gloves off' against terror groups," Chris Woods, director of Airwars, told Business Insider.

[irontaino]

Wasn't one of his first acts as president to drop a MOAB on Afghanistan and bomb the hell out of Syria killing scores of civilians?

[Cope]

The Shayrat missile strike was one of, if not the only, decision Trump took which was celebrated by the liberal establishment. Though as discussed previously, Trump was more resolutely opposed to regime change than any of his predecessors dating back to Carter (hence the congressional censure over the Syria withdrawal and the Russia bounty hoax which was likely intended to derail the Doha Agreement).

[Heathen Hammer]

Yeah, wars started by Clinton, Bush-spawn and Obama and resulted with hundreds of thousands of civilians dying are fine, but Trump is antichrist for dropping MOAB on ISIS this one time. The double standards here are hilarious.

[Prodromos]

October 3, 1789: George Washington's Thanksgiving Proclamation

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

<--- new avatar: Eye of Providence

[Cyclops]

Washington seems to have been a moral and decent person, its easy to jeer at slave owners but he had the moral fibre to free his slaves at the end so for his era he was almost a radical. Likewise while he joined the Masons I think it was more a political and social move and he seems (unusually for a founding father) to have been a sincere Christian and not a creepy New Age/conspiracy person.

The Eye there has such a rich history, going back to the Bronze Age IIRC. Its found as jewels and in cartouches in Egypt and on boats as a protective ward. The rays are I think an Egyptian touch too? They recall Ra the sun God I think, but the triangle is a Christianising element. I think its more of a dualist/magical symbol than strictly Christian, as a quick google suggests it s award against the Evil Eye.

[irontaino]

Washington seems to have been a moral and decent person, its easy to jeer at slave owners but he had the moral fibre to free his slaves at the end so for his era he was almost a radical.

Yep, when he could no longer use them. Very stunning and brave.

[Heathen Hammer]

Freemasonry was quite interesting centuries ago, when it was sort of an organizational heir to Rosicrucian order and was about preservation of Hermetic/Esoteric knowledge, but today its little more then a networking club for corrupt government officials, greedy corporate executives and rich pedophiles. Kinda similar to Catholic Church, ironically.

[Cyclops]

Yep, when he could no longer use them. Very stunning and brave.

He was ahead of the curve in Virginia.

[Abdülmecid I]

The Romanian center-right government just collapsed following a vote of no confidence. The country is in a dismal situation, because the coronavirus is wreaking havoc and only one third of the population has been vaccinated. That's a very disappointing percentage and much lower than the average of the European Union. The government has mishandled the crisis, but the main factor is the Orthodox Church (Romania is a deeply religious nation), which has refused to take sides. A few bishops have died, but even Patriarch Daniel is not endorsing the vaccine openly. Such a cowardly neutrality only boosts the skeptics, however, so more Romanians are expected to die in the future. On a slightly less pessimist note, those that the conspiracy theorists blame for the disaster are the Jews, Bill Gates and the Hungarian minority of Transylvania. Local touch I guess.

[Heathen Hammer]

Its not cowardly neutrality, since its not like Romanian clergy is obligated to advertise Big Pharma products just cause. Maybe if they pay them money.
On a more optimistic note, it were efforts of nationalists and social-democrats to oust the centrist government. Its a good thing to see healthy populism overcome establishment centrist politics and hopefully will become a major trend across EU.

[Prodromos]

The government has mishandled the crisis, but the main factor is the Orthodox Church (Romania is a deeply religious nation), which has refused to take sides. A few bishops have died, but even Patriarch Daniel is not endorsing the vaccine openly.

For what it's worth, the Ecumenical Patriarchate seems all in on the Fauci ouchie, so maybe it's just a Romanian thing.

Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew Interview With ukrinform.ua

[Abdülmecid I]

Yes, Bart is alright, it's a Romanian Church thing. Most, if not all, Orthodox Churches in the Balkans are autocephalous (fancy word for autonomous) since the 19th and 20th centuries. The reasons for these ''schisms'' were political, as the governments of the nation-states didn't want their clergy to be under the influence of a Patriarch that spoke a different language and remained under the protection of the Ottoman Empire. Originally the Patriarchate didn't take the news very well, but relations have since then been restored. That being said, although they are in communion with the Ecumenical Patriarchate, the authority of Bartholomew is minimal, the real boss in Romania is Daniel. Not sure why he has reacted that way. The Romanian Orthodox Church used to preach very Antisemitic and anti-Freemasonry sermons in the Interwar Period and it was heavily involved in the Holocaust, but I am not sure if this plays any role today, because the ecclesiastical system was deeply reorganised under the early Communist regimes (Ceausescu, on the other hand, was much more tolerant).

[Heathen Hammer]

Rational skepticism of Central-Eastern Europe can be explained by experience of life under communist regimes. Nations like Romania, Poland and Hungary see what EU is doing and unlike less (objectively) free and less politically educated Western European nations like France and Germany, they understand where that whole globalism thing is going.

[Abdülmecid I]

Where is globalism going? Towards making Transylvania Hungarian/Jewish/Masonic again?

In other news, back in 2016 one dozen children (youngest of them was 8 years old) were arrested by the police in their school for failing to make a reasonable effort to prevent commission of the offense. They were bystanders in a yard brawl between some six-year olds. Now, besides any ethical concerns about jailing children who didn't intervene in a quarrel who didn't intervene in a quarrel, the major problem is that there is no law about criminal responsibility in Tennessee. Judge Davenport seems really sweet though:

I’ve locked up one 7-year-old in 13 years, and that was a heartbreak, but 8- and 9-year-olds, and older, are very common now.

Was I in violation? Heck, yes. But am I going to allow a child to cuss anyone out? Heck, no.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

Austrian Chancellor Kurz has resigned because of investigations of Corruption.

https://m.dw.com/en/austrian-chancel...ion/a-59458714

[Prodromos]

"Russia views Taiwan as part of the People's Republic of China"

Oct 12 (Interfax) - Russia's policy on the Taiwan situation proceeds from the island belonging to China, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

"Just like the overwhelming majority of other countries, Russia views Taiwan as part of the People's Republic of China. This is the premise we proceed from and will continue to proceed from in our policy," Lavrov told reporters in response to a question from Interfax whether Russia views the current situation around Taiwan as a threat to regional security.