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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
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    All Muslim leaders coming together to condemn Marcon's comments and advocate for a boycott. They complain that these actions are offensive to Muslims and not a form of freedom of expression.

    And yet halfway around the world China continues to oppress its Uhygur minority. Where's Erdogan? Where's al-Sisi? Why don't the Muslims care about the Uhygurs?
    As much as I dislike Macron, I can't help but admire what he did in relation to those attacks. However, while symbolically projecting "prophets" image in public is a good moral way of defiance, that needs to be followed up with comprehensive immigration reform.
    As for the Islamist regimes, it seems crying "oppression" every time something doesn't go their way is their MO.
    "We also have rights. We have the right for our feelings not to be hurt and for our values not to be hurt," he said during an address to commemorate the Prophet Mohammad's birthday.
    Meanwhile non-Muslims in their countries are treated like second-class subhumans.
    What a bunch of hypocritical scumbags.

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    As shown above Muslim leaders like al-Sisi have advocated against freedom of expression and other leaders have condemned those who post the cartoons.
    Then of course you have the French boycott encouraged by leaders like Erdogan.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/26/europ...ntl/index.html
    Then you have another Muslim leader claiming Marcon defending his country's right of freedom of expression forces people to commit terrorism.
    https://thehill.com/policy/internati...forcing-people
    These massages are rather clear. That people who practice freedom of expression are the problem. Thats its right for Muslims to get offended and boycott who wish to practice their rights. And of course claiming that freedom of expressions forces people into terrorism.
    These messages will only make it more likely for Muslims to act out of things they perceive to be offensive to their religion.
    When you couldn't find what you claimed from Sisi and Erdoğan you had to fish out what the Chechen leader said, didn't you? What Sisi and Erdoğan said hardly constitute as an inspiration to cut people's heads of for insulting Muhammad or Islam in general. More importantly, you failed to make a connection on what I said to your tangent.
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    When you couldn't find what you claimed from Sisi and Erdoğan you had to fish out what the Chechen leader said, didn't you? What Sisi and Erdoğan said hardly constitute as an inspiration to cut people's heads of for insulting Muhammad or Islam in general. More importantly, you failed to make a connection on what I said to your tangent.
    Nice try but in post #5316 last page i mentioned other Muslim leaders besides Erdogan and al-Sisi weighing in on Marcon's comments.

    You are free to address my post. It seems to don't have an argument against my point. Especially since you're not addressing the words of that Chechen leader.

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    Nice try but in post #5316 last page i mentioned other Muslim leaders besides Erdogan and al-Sisi weighing in on Marcon's comments.
    You are free to address my post. It seems to don't have an argument against my point. Especially since you're not addressing the words of that Chechen leader.
    I'm glad you acknowledge your claim on Egypt and Turkey didn't pan out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    I'm glad you acknowledge your claim on Egypt and Turkey didn't pan out.
    You can just concede next time you don't have an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/egypts-si...093014551.html

    All Muslim leaders coming together to condemn Marcon's comments and advocate for a boycott. They complain that these actions are offensive to Muslims and not a form of freedom of expression.

    And yet halfway around the world China continues to oppress its Uhygur minority. Where's Erdogan? Where's al-Sisi? Why don't the Muslims care about the Uhygurs?
    This isnt about muslims and how they dont care about the uyghurs, this is about China not caring about the muslims and their complaints.
    If your only superpower is "complaining and calling everybody islamophobe" then you need to find somebody who actually gives a about that. China doesnt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithradates View Post
    This isnt about muslims and how they dont care about the uyghurs, this is about China not caring about the muslims and their complaints.
    If your only superpower is "complaining and calling everybody islamophobe" then you need to find somebody who actually gives a about that. China doesnt.
    Is there an actual point hidden away in this post?

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    The colonial obsession with the "evil Turk" is a pretty common European trope, the house of Osman scared the Ferengi good and proper for many centuries: other bogeymen like the bloodthirsty Swede, severe Spaniard or the red-handed Tory were pale shadows compared to the awful reality of the Sultan for Europe.

    The Grand Turk's corsairs used to snatch pretty girls from Sussex (well supposedly, that would explain why there's none there now) to Smolensk, his Janissaries marched across fields of bones in the Balkans and generally scared the pantaloons/hosiery off all right thinking Christians. The affection toward Iran is a parallel as well as reflected theme, culminating in the gentlemanly Islamophilia of Doughty and Lawrence.

    In the 1720's the Enlightenment was in full swing and IIRC Iranian ambassadors visited Europe several times in the preceding centuries in search of allies against the Grand Turk, so its really no surprise: Public Occurrences or whatever the paper was reflecting the views current in London and Paris.

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    Jeremy Corbyn has just been suspended by the Labour Party for his role in the party's anti-Semitism crisis and his reaction to the EHRC's report. The Blairite purge of the radicals continues.



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    May 1981. President Ronald Reagan is giving a speech at an Air Force base in West Berlin when a balloon pops loudly. Only two months previously, the President had been shot in an attempt on his life, not long after beginning his first term.

    Reagan's response:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The Blairite purge of the radicals continues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    May 1981. President Ronald Reagan is giving a speech at an Air Force base in West Berlin when a balloon pops loudly. Only two months previously, the President had been shot in an attempt on his life, not long after beginning his first term.

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    That was staged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Settra View Post
    That was staged.
    Highly unlikely
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    Jeremy Corbyn has just been suspended by the Labour Party for his role in the party's anti-Semitism crisis and his reaction to the EHRC's report. The Blairite purge of the radicals continues.
    If you put two rats into a box, one will eat the other one sooner then later. Although I'd say that Blairite wing of Labor is perhaps the worst political movement in recent Western history, quickly followed by Trudeau's liberals and Democrats in USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Highly unlikely
    Be awesome if it was staged, but the guy was a very smooth performer. I am as sure as you can be that was off the cuff.
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    Meanwhile in Montenegro...
    Mourners in Montenegro have kissed the body of a bishop in his open casket after he died from the coronavirus. Serbian Orthodox cleric Amfilohije had led liturgy and anti-lockdown protests.

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    The Alt-Right Is Not Rising | National Review

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    To be honest, the alt-right movement had been inflated from the beginning. They played a marginal role in the 2016 elections and only gained some prominence, because Clinton focused on them. Their contribution and that of the far-right in general was similarly insignificant in Brexit, despite the common narrative.

    Anyway, in other news, Robert Fisk unexpectedly died due to a stroke. He was one of the last old-school reporters, travelling directly to the zones of conflict and personally contacting the participants. He's mainly known for interviewing Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, but he was also one of the first to document the massacre of Sabra and Shatila by the Leban Christian militia, under the tolerant supervision of the Israeli forces. I often didn't agree with views, his criticism on Israel seemed rather excessive, but he was still one of the greatest journalistic authorities in the Middle East, together with Patrick Cockburn. He also campaigned actively for pressuring the Turkish government to recognize the Armenian genocide. One of his latest pieces I really appreciated was when he covered how ISIL judicially handled local disputes, based on official archives, he gained access to, after having been embedded to the Syrian Army.

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    Bad week for Donald:

    According to insiders, Deutsche Bank is looking for a way to end its business relationship with US President Donald Trump (74). The bank is tired of making the headlines over and over again, said three high-ranking executives to Reuters news agency. In the past few months, a management committee that deals with reputational risks has discussed various options. One proposal was to resell the loans granted to Trump in order to end business relationships with the real estate mogul. But this proposal did not catch on, among other things because it was unclear who would buy the loans and the problems associated with them, said an insider. The outcome of the US election now crucially depends on how things continue.

    Deutsche Bank and the White House declined to comment. There was also no comment from Trump's family company, the Trump Organization.

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    Vladimir Putin planning to step down next year: report

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    Vladimir Putin is planning to step down next year as speculation swirls in Russia that the longtime president may have Parkinson’s disease, a report said Thursday.

    Moscow political scientist Valery Solovei told The Sun that the Russian strongman’s 37-year-old girlfriend, Alina Kabaeva, and his two daughters are pushing him to leave office.

    “There is a family, it has a great influence on him. He intends to make public his handover plans in January,” Solovei told the news outlet.

    Solovei also suggested Putin may be suffering from Parkinson’s as the president has been seen recently exhibiting symptoms of the disease.

    Putin recently appeared to be in agony while appearing to constantly shift his legs, according to footage reviewed by an observer, The Sun reported.

    Reviewed footage also appeared to show his fingers twitching as he held a cup that possibly contained medicine, the report said.

    Speculation of Putin’s possible departure comes as Russian lawmakers are considering legislation proposed by the president that would grant ex-presidents lifetime immunity from criminal prosecution.
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