Discussion and Debate Community Thread

[Stavroforos]

It's unnecessary. Looking at the map, it's fair to say Falkland islands' territorial waters now includes large parts of Argentina.

Are you deliberately keeping yourself ignorant of the facts? Because you seem to be posting nonsense.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

It's unnecessary. Looking at the map, it's fair to say Falkland islands' territorial waters now includes large parts of Argentina.

I think you're making things up again.

[mishkin]

Without intention to insult anyone (any falklander around?), why would anyone want to be in possession of that wasteland?

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Argentina will definitely have a hard time pushing their claims now that they defaulted on their loans.
Anyway I don't think that they would try right now and if they did then they would have to be nuts or it could just be a blow fish tactic if they did so as to keep the appearance of being in a much better condition than they are.

The only South American countries that will make it out alive will probably be Colombia and Chile (possibly Peru) but it is impossible to say in the long run and everybody else is going under. For Paraguay, Bolivia and Uruguay it will be business as usual seeing as they don't have much anyway.
Venezuela is on their deathbed and if Venezuela dies Cuba will follow them to the grave unless of course it can change it's broken exchange rates and get massive foreign investment. Brazil might become the sick man of... South America but will probably fall back on its cattle and agriculture sectors assuming a post-apocalypse scenario falls on them.
Ecuador is a worthless country and its only life lines are its port at Guayaquil and its trade links with Peru and Colombia, that might keep them afloat.

[Stavroforos]

Without intention to insult anyone (any falklander around?), why would anyone want to be in possession of that wasteland?

There are many reasons. Militarily, it could provide a large presence in the region and a resupply route to ease transatlantic logistics. Economically, it means that anything in the island's exclusive economic zone could be mined for resources. The islands themselves have also started seeing an increase in tourism as it offers a very unique climate and topography as well as a lot of untouched nature.

[mishkin]

There are many reasons. Militarily, it could provide a large presence in the region and a resupply route to ease transatlantic logistics. Economically, it means that anything in the island's exclusive economic zone could be mined for resources. The islands themselves have also started seeing an increase in tourism as it offers a very unique climate and topography as well as a lot of untouched nature.

I will believe the first part of your post since I have no idea of geopolitics, economy and armies. But tourism? Seriously? How many people can be that crazy? (Its just a windy wasteland)

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Sort of seems like Argentina is jumping the gun a bit. It's not like Argentina needs such a military position at the moment (or ever). Then again Argentina is as flat as a polished sheet of marble making it a prime target for invasion. By who exactly I can't say since not even Brazil will want to take military action right now. Unless Paraguay and Uruguay plan on being dastardly mestizos which seems highly unlikely.

[Stavroforos]

I will believe the first part of your post since I have no idea of geopolitics, economy and armies. But tourism? Seriously? How many people can be that crazy? (Its just a windy wasteland)

People have many varying tastes, and considering most tourism in the world is done by the middle and upper class, they generally have the money to throw to whatever makes them happiest. I would never want to go as a tourist to some place that doesn't have any interesting history, for example.

[Ludicus]

"Looking at the map, Falkland Islands' territorial waters now includes large parts of Argentina"

I think you're making things up again.

In case you haven't understood, it's an ironic answer to " Maybe the Falklanders should start dredging up reefs, concreting them over and extend their own territorial claims"

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mishin

why would anyone want to be in possession of that wasteland?

It's the struggle for Antarctica; oil and gas;last but not least, UK nostalgia for a colonial empire.





A few years ago, Hillary Clinton Slaps Britain in the Face Again..

Three months on, she’s done it again. As Damien McElroy reported, the United States joined with the Organisation of American States (OAS) in an unanimously passed voice vote resolution earlier this week calling for negotiations between London and Buenos Aires.
Significantly, the resolution referred to the “Malvinas” Islands, and not the Falkland Islands, its official, internationally recognized name, another snub to the British position.
Washington is acutely aware of the sensitivities involved in the use of “Malvinas”

Hehe.The British journalist was enraged.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Disclaimer: I'm slightly anglophile...but not in this case

[Stavroforos]

And beyond that, your continued persistence to falsehood has had the impact of dragging this thread away from any legitimate discussion on the Falkland's issue.

[Ludicus]

not even Brazil will want to take military action right now.

Brazil sides with Argentina against UK and helped the country in the Falklands war. In fact, all Latin America backs Argentina over Falklands/Malvinas.Also, the UN does not recognize any British claim to suzerainty over the Malvinas - and the surrounding islands.
UN, 2015,
Special Committee on Decolonization Approves Resolution (UN press release)

The Special Committee on decolonization today approved a resolution calling for the peaceful settlement of the “Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)[1]”, as delegates urged an end to the “festering” dispute that had long plagued the South Atlantic islands and surrounding territories.

[Border Patrol]

Funny that the Argentine government accepted that the Falkland Islanders wished to remain British, and that they were unable to conquer the islands militarily until after oil was discovered in the region. Now it's suddenly a national tragedy again to have a foreign nation dare to possess land so close to their own borders.

Hilariously enough many of the people that support Argentina attacking Britain over the Falklands were also loudly denouncing the Iraq war as a colonial war for oil.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Which would only reinforce my point. I was saying above that no one would take military action against Argentina, not even Brazil which is probably the only country in all of South America which could effectively take military action against anyone.

Anyway Argentina's claims are totally bunk. Aside from some colonial history with Spain and the closeness of the islands to their coastal area Argentina has nothing to go on here.

[Condottiere 40K]

The British used it as a coaling station, so weren't likely to listen to any Argentinian pleas for repatriation.

Columbia seems to be trying to clean itself up by going for a political solution, Venezuela seems to be trying to suppress a political solution, possibly because they're very afraid of a recall election or impeachments.

I doubt that Cuba can pull off a China, but I think it's a waiting game for Raul to give up or kick the bucket, or maybe having Fidel shuffle off this mortal coil will give enough impetus for a Cigar Revolution.

[Ludicus]

Funny that the Argentine government accepted that the Falkland Islanders wished to remain British,

Not really.. Since 1965 UN have passed over 40 resolutions calling on the two parties to finda peaceful and definitive solution.
According to Macri, the new President,
Argentina presidential hopeful Mauricio Macri promises better relations... and that's all.

We will maintain forever our claim to the Falklands. But our relations with Britain should be broadened.

Recently, october 2015,
Argentina Enjoys Widespread Support -seventieth Session,
2nd Meeting

While the United Nations decolonization process had achieved “historic successes”, colonial thinking and behaviour were still “rampant”, with 17 lands remaining on the Organization’s list of Non-Self-Governing Territories, the Fourth Committee (Special Political and Decolonization) heard today, as it opened its annual debate on the issue.
“It is due to the untiring efforts of the United Nations […] that the vast majority of the world’s population today is no longer under colonial rule,” Committee Chair Brian Bowler, said, adding that decolonization had been one of the most defining issues of the latter part of the twentieth century and the early part of the twenty-first.

Central to this afternoon’s debate was the particular question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) [1], with many delegations expressing support for Argentina’s claim of sovereignty over the Territory, as well as the neighbouring South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas. The longstanding dispute with the United Kingdom over the Territory must come to an end through the resumption of bilateral negotiations, several speakers said.

Lord Oda Nobunaga

I was saying above that no one would take military action against Argentina, not even Brazil

??
Reread my last post and the UN resolutions; Brazil sides with Argentina against UK.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I know that we can't know for sure unless presented with evidence, but I think it is clear that Maduro stole the Venezuelan elections. The fact that the Venezuelan Election Council refused to look into it and the fact that the opposition declined and invitation to start riots just shows that the opposition was telling the truth. If the opposition had wanted they could have simply stirred up resentment throughout the state and try to march on the parliament or presidential palace. Whether this would have been a good move or not I'm going with no, however the opposition didn't try anything after even the electoral council ignored them.

Now Cuba's exchange rate and economy is so damn screwed up and complex that no one wants to make major investments there. Cuba however depends on what is practically free oil and appliances from Venezuela so they will do everything in their power to keep a friendly Venezuela in power. Hence why the Cuban special forces are currently in Venezuela and act almost as a presidential guard. Even if the Venezuelan military removed Maduro the Cuban special forces would fight for him.

[Stavroforos]

Not really.. Since 1965 UN have passed over40 resolutions calling on the two parties to finda peaceful and definitive solution.
According to Macri, the new President,
Argentina presidential hopeful Mauricio Macri promises better relations... and that's all.

Recently, october 2015,
Argentina Enjoys Widespread Support -seventieth Session,
2nd Meeting

Do you oppose self-determination, Ludicus?

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Finding a peaceful solution does not equal "give me all your ".
There can be a peaceful solution: Argentina gives up their claims or Britain gives up theirs. The latter is not likely to happen unless Britain feels they can no longer hold it at all. The former probably should happen but as many see the world powers as the old order then Argentina still has hopes of grabbing "las Malvinas" some day.
It's similar to the Chinese build up in the South China Sea minus the fact that Argentina does not have the power to pull off what China is doing and both claims are totally bunk anyway.

[Ludicus]

Argentina's claims are totally bunk.

(Because you say so). Who backs the UK? UN says the opposite.

The latter is not likely to happen unless Britain feels they can no longer hold it at all

Obviously

Border Patrol

Hilariously enough many of the people that support Argentina attacking Britain over the Falklands were also loudly denouncing the Iraq war as a colonial war for oil.

Don't change the subject- talking about the US,
Britain is 'disappointed' with America over Falkland Islands
(And more- just out of curiousity, 34 years ago, Alexander Haig wanted Reagan to side with the Argentines over the Falklands)

Edit,
2012, State Department video
Nuland:

we don’t take any position regarding sovereignty claims. So our position has not changed... you can ask me 17 times

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[Condottiere 40K]

As long as Argentina remains broke and militariless, it's not an issue.

Brazil may drop out of the BRICs league, so any support from there will be moral, if they aren't too pre-occupied with their own problems, probably for the next couple of decades.