Discussion and Debate Community Thread

[HannibalExMachina]

aww, does acknowledging that individuals still function as part of a group blow your mind? by all means, lets assume all extremists are just lone wolves with no outside influences. while we are at it, we should let islamist hate preachers off the hook, provided they never killed anyone in person.

[Infidel144]

a group of individual people are not a collective, they are responsible as individiums sharing thoughts and actions. downplaying or outright supporting right-wing extremism has led to this. a man is dead, so take your apologia for a long walk off a short pier.

What sort of "thoughts" should be 'persecuted' and what form should that 'persecution' take?

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

a group of individual people are not a collective, they are responsible as individiums sharing thoughts and actions. downplaying or outright supporting right-wing extremism has led to this. a man is dead, so take your apologia for a long walk off a short pier.

This.

And i don't think

strict persecution of all far right persoins and media directly involved

is misleading.

So no danger for Tommy Fraud-inson to have a serious problem, as long as he is not directly involved in this murder.

[Infidel144]

directly involved

What do you mean by "directly involved"?

[Basil II the B.S]

a group of individual people are not a collective,

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collective
: of, relating to, or being a group of individuals

It's the dictionary definition of it. Daily reminder that liberals want to put ''a collective group of individuals'' into jail for thought crime. Thanks for proving my point. This is ing Orwellian.

Btw, the ''collective group of individuals'' is every single white person that disagrees with their ideas about socialism, personal freedoms, immigration etc. Liberals are about to dekulakize Europe and North America of white people.


More on this bs, the society that the liberal excrement Justin Trudeau is building in Canada:

Interviewer: what would happen to a gay couple in Gaza?
Muslim Canadian: they would be executed according to Islamic law. Islam doesn't endorse gays.
I: would you like to see Sharia law in Canada?
MC: at some point it will. Because we have families, we make babies, you are not. Your population is going down the slump. By 2060 Muslims will be the biggest group the world over, what are you going to do then? Are you going to oppose Sharia even then?

This is the society that the liberals are building. Demographics data are pretty clear and it's evident to everyone, the liberals, the Muslims and the conservatives. The Islamo-liberal alliance is simply about destroying the latter, ethnically cleanse white people and then they'll jump at each other throats to see who rules over the world. Both are a mortal threat to Christians, conservatives, white people.


edit 2:
A priest went on Italian state television saying he wants to murder Matteo Salvini ''in self-defense for democracy''.



A retired journalist is calling for mass shooting Italian voters who vote for bad populists.
https://www.huffingtonpost.it/entry/...b0304a1211003f
Good to see a climate of civil war here.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

News in the murder of Lübcke:

The Federal Prosecutor's Office is in the case of Walter Lübcke from a right-wing extremist background. The suspect had already been convicted of attempted manslaughter.

In the case of the murdered Regierungspräsidenten of the district of Kassel, Walter Lübcke (CDU), there are increasing indications that the act had a right-wing extremist background. According to information from ZEIT ONLINE from security circles, in 1993, at the age of 20, Stephan E., who was arrested on Saturday morning and urgently suspected of attack, bombarded an asylum seeker's shelter in Hohenstein-Steckenroth in Hesse with a pipe bomb in 1993. The bomb had been housed in a car that was set on fire but could be extinguished in time by inhabitants of the house before the bomb detonated. Stephan E. was sentenced to imprisonment without parole.

Even then, Stephan E. was reportedly known as a right-wing extremist and appeared for assault and a further arson with xenophobic background and violations of the weapons law.

One year before the attack on the asylum seeker's home, Stephan E. was already guilty of an attempted homicide, as research by ZEIT ONLINE revealed. In November 1992, he had attacked a man on the toilet of the Wiesbaden main station only from the back and then from the front with a knife and seriously injured. Later, he declared in court that he had felt sexually molested by the man; In the process, as he says in the judgment, he "found it particularly stressful for him that the witness (...) was recognizably a foreigner".

After research by ZEIT ONLINE the suspect E. took also part in January 2004 in Gladenbach on a far-right demonstration of the "People's Litter Committee for good advice".

Spiegel Online also reports that the suspect was sentenced to seven months probation for breach of the peace ten years ago. He attacked a DGB (German Trade Union Federation) rally in Dortmund together with 400 autonomous nationalists. The Süddeutsche Zeitung reports online that the suspect has said on his YouTube channel that if the government does not act soon, there will be dead. According to the report, weapons were found in a search of his home, but not the murder weapon.

Prosecution is based on right-wing extremist background

Meanwhile, the Attorney General in Karlsruhe has drawn the investigation into the murder case. According to the spokesman Markus Schmitt, the federal prosecutor's office assumes that the deed has a right-wing extremist background. This was suggested by the publicly expressed opinions and views of the suspect. So far, there are no indications that "the defendant could have been involved in a right-wing terrorist group," said Schmitt. In the course of further investigations will be further examined whether and how far backers were involved in the act.

The CDU politician Lübcke had been murdered on the night of June 2 in front of his home in Wolfhagen-Istha, Hesse, with a firearm. Because he had defended the refugee policy of the federal government, he had been massively attacked and verbally abused in the internet.

https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschl...l-ermittlungen

[Abdülmecid I]

Quite an unglorious death for Egypt's first elected leader.

[Prodromos]

New survey on which countries Americans consider allies or enemies.

[Basil II the B.S]

So misguided.

[Heathen Hammer]

a group of individual people are not a collective, they are responsible as individiums sharing thoughts and actions. downplaying or outright supporting right-wing extremism has led to this. a man is dead, so take your apologia for a long walk off a short pier.

Pro-immigration pro-EU politicians often tend to have ties to organized crime. People die over criminal activity all the time.

[Prodromos]

So misguided.

Yeah I don't know why people view Japan as a competitor. Reminds me of this guy I know; his grandpa cursed the Japanese when he heard about the 9/11 attacks.

[Basil II the B.S]

That's so late 80s. If you read books from that era, everyone was terrified Japan was going to replace the US as the world financial center.

[Swiss Army Cheese]

The Christchurch terrorist has pleaded non guilty in all points.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48631488

You know he actually has a case for pleading not guilty. It's not like there's video footage of him committing the acts available to the New Zealand public. If there was, it'd probably be on youtube or facebook (where it was supposedly broadcasted) or something.

Bitchute? 4Chan? Those websites don't exist. If they did we'd freely be able to go there.

And even if such a video did exist, it wouldn't be admissable in court since the New Zealand government has declared that possessing any copies of the video is a criminal offense, since it is "terrorist propaganda" or something like that.Heck, you could say the same about his "manifesto", which also seemingly does not exist and is also illegal to read.
Those deaths were probably due to an Earthquake. Earthquakes tend to happen a lot in Christchurch

</lawyer>
See what I did there? If it is illegal to even gaze apon the most damming of the evidence against a man, how can you convict him?

[mongrel]

They are also paying more than the average worker. 16% of 80k is a lot more than 16% of 5k. The progressive tax system was extremely popular in the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries and guess what effects it had. Hint, not a healthier social welfare system.

The problem today is not the lack of a progressive tax. The problem is that the hyper-rich don't pay any tax whatsoever. If you want to fix things, start there. Progressive taxation wof the upper middle-class only serves to drive potential tax funds into the grey and black economies.

Also, your social welfare system might cope better if you did not allow 5 million immigrant loafers to sponge off of it. Just a thought.

Most migrants work and non EU migrants need to pay a sizeable sum in order to enter the country. So your racist rant about migrants just doesn't cover the fact that this will cost money. Britain's poor working class has suffered pay cuts and freezes for 10 years now and working class benefits used to top up poor wages were also slashed. When asked when the cuts would stop Mrs May said there was no magic money tree. Either they have found one or Boris has told MPs that the public can off, MPs deserve to pocket more money (MPs' salary would fall judst below that £80,000 limit. This move will not be popular.

You know he actually has a case for pleading not guilty. It's not like there's video footage of him committing the acts available to the New Zealand public. If there was, it'd probably be on youtube or facebook (where it was supposedly broadcasted) or something.

Bitchute? 4Chan? Those websites don't exist. If they did we'd freely be able to go there.

And even if such a video did exist, it wouldn't be admissable in court since the New Zealand government has declared that possessing any copies of the video is a criminal offense, since it is "terrorist propaganda" or something like that.Heck, you could say the same about his "manifesto", which also seemingly does not exist and is also illegal to read.
Those deaths were probably due to an Earthquake. Earthquakes tend to happen a lot in Christchurch

</lawyer>
See what I did there? If it is illegal to even gaze apon the most damming of the evidence against a man, how can you convict him?

Foolishness, for law enforcement purposes such material is viewed all the time. How do you think Gary Glitter got convicted if the Police, barristers and jury did not have sight of his collection of images. How did Penguin books get cleared if no-one in the Jury was allowed to examine the allegedly obscene publication 'Lady Chatterley's Lover?'


And I find you making light of those murders offensive.

[Prodromos]

This surgeon wants to offer cheap MRIs. A state law is getting in his way. - Vox

Dr. Gajendra Singh walked out of his local hospital’s outpatient department last year, having been told an ultrasound for some vague abdominal pain he was feeling would cost $1,200 or so, and decided enough was enough. If he was balking at the price of a routine medical scan, what must people who weren’t well-paid medical professionals be thinking?

The India-born surgeon decided he would open his own imaging center in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, and charge a lot less. Singh launched his business in August and decided to post his prices, as low as $500 for an MRI, on a banner outside the office building and on his website.

There was just one barrier to fully realizing his vision: a North Carolina law that he and his lawyers argue essentially gives hospitals a monopoly over MRI scans and other services.

Under North Carolina’s law, a medical provider must obtain a government permit (a “certificate of need”) if they want to offer certain new services or buy new equipment. But first, every year, state officials will make a determination about whether certain services are needed in different places.

If the state has decided an area doesn’t need a service, then other providers are barred from even applying for a permit. That is what Singh ran into: He wasn’t allowed to apply to purchase a permanent MRI for his Winston-Salem center. State officials had already decided it wasn’t needed there.

CON laws started popping up in the 1960s, and in 1974, Congress made them or less standard by linking federal funding to states adopting such a law. Louisiana was the only state that didn’t. They were well-intentioned, with the goal of exercising strong oversight of new health care providers.

But lawmakers and policy experts found that, as much as anything, they stopped new competition from challenging existing monopolies hospitals have on certain health care services.

Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan health law professor, told me certificate-of-need laws might have made sense back when health care was treated more like a public utility. But they make less and less sense under our current market-based health care ecosystem.

“They impose red tape, they slow the adoption of new technologies, and they impair competition,” he told me via email. “The fact that they’re still on the books in two-thirds of the states is a testament to the political power of entrenched players.”

[Basil II the B.S]

Soros is actively meddling in German politics, I assume he picked Germany because it's easier to get away from any criticism by playing the anti-semitism card.
https://www.dw.com/en/george-soros-t...any/a-49304370

That means we need a cordon sanitaire around Germany.

He also met in December with Timmermans to ask him to force an infraction procedure against the Italian government to cause its fall and force a pro-austerity pro open borders one:
http://www.affaritaliani.it/politica...ti-582339.html

And this is exactly why we need a Nurnberg trial against the members of the EU commission. They are all traitors. Soros is an unelected oligarch yet he gets access to EU institutions by simplying buying it. There's zero democracy here. He also demands to the overthrowing of democratically elected governments because the people disagree with him.
It's the people against the elite. The liberal elite are the enemies of the people.

[Abdülmecid I]

How exactly is morally reprehensible to fight against hate crimes, Basil? Looks like a pretty decent initiative to me. Anyway, I understand your concern over business magnates meddling in politics, but the concept of lobbying has been a primary trait of our economic and social system ever since capitalist and incredibly prosperous Europe reigned supreme across the globe. We tried communism, but the Soviet Union has collapsed since the'90s, so... If, however, you are particularly worried about Soros' malign influence, then look no further than Hungary, where the prime minister himself has studied in Oxford (typical ivory tower elitist), thanks to the scholarship of the Open Society Foundation. Not to mention the fact that he used to be the Communist Party secretary, while he's now actively promoting the interests of the German automobile industry, at the expense of the Hungarian people. As much of a puppet as it gets!

[Basil II the B.S]

Sure, too bad that the definition of ''hate crimes'' in the Soros world is anything less than open borders and the progressive annihilation of European cultures. The extreme left has been marching through the institutions under tha banners of ''anti-racism'' and ''feminism'' when the actual goal is to simply destroy societies they hate. I have posted elsewhere studies showing that the militant ''anti-racists'', aka politically engaged White Liberals are actually the most racist people in the Western world, both towards non-whites and fellow whites.
As for Orban, I'm not even sure why you bring up the fact that he started his career thanks to Soros. I know it has become somehow the source of delegitimation as if Orban ever denied it. Noone does. Noone cares. Orban knows how Soros works and how to oppose him. Indeed Soros has been routed out of Hungary to the point that his lackeys now write anonymous articles in the German press whining about it:
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/...-orban-english
Nonetheless it's always a pleasure to see the left making excuses for an oligarch that meddles in politics bypassing the democratic process and simply by buying his influence in institutions.

That's ''democracy'' today. Then of course you might as well start with the demonization of populists aka, the people, the demos, the actual and only true democracy which is being pushed aside by the prostitutes of such oligarchs in the political system.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

How exactly is morally reprehensible to fight against hate crimes, Basil? Looks like a pretty decent initiative to me. ..

This.

Even more because of the not so long ago NSU murders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ground_murders

And the actual murder of Walter Lübcke by far right extremist scum and the actual death threats against other politicians:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-death-threats

[Prodromos]

Came across this article about the deep involvement of the Russian Orthodox "Church" in Russia's military.

Blessing the holy ICBMs: The Russian Orthodox Church and Putin - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

It shows how the Russian Orthodox Church has penetrated and integrated itself into the Russian Armed Forces and even some of the closed nuclear cities—to the point where priests bless new nuclear missiles. Indeed, to some extent, Russian Orthodox priests have taken over the role formerly held by political officers during the Communist period: They keep an eye on the spiritual purity of the troops, glorify the military, and ensure the reliability of the soldiers during combat.

...

Adamsky explains in much detail how the Russian Orthodox Church has greatly increased its physical presence among the military and the nuclear scientific communities. We learn about the growing presence and influence of the Russian Orthodox Church clergy within military units; the Russian Orthodox Church’s aggressive program of building churches on military installations, within closed nuclear cities, and at government facilities (even Rosatom and the Federal Security Service have churches on the grounds of their headquarters); and the blessing and sprinkling of holy water by priests on missiles, tanks, and every imaginable piece of military equipment, military exercise, and troop deployment.

Reminded me of this passage in one of Martin Luther's books:

I have heard of fine soldiers who have thought that the king of France, when he was defeated and captured by the emperor before Pavia, had all of his bad fortune because he had the pope’s, or as they boastfully call them, the Church’s, people with him. For after they came to his camp with a great cry of Ecclesia, ecclesia! “Church, Church!” there was no more good fortune there. This is what the soldiers say, though perhaps they do not know the reason for it, viz., that is not right for the pope, who wants to be a Christian, and the highest and best Christian preacher at that, to lead a church army, or army of Christians. For the Church ought not strive or fight with the sword; it has other enemies than flesh and blood, their name is the wicked devils in the air; therefore it has other weapons and swords and other wars, so that it has enough to do, and cannot mix in the wars of the emperor or princes, for the Scriptures say that there shall be no good fortune where men are disobedient to God.

Again, if I were a soldier and saw in the field a priests’ banner, or banner of the cross, even though it were a crucifix I should run as though the devil were chasing me; and even if they won a victory, by God’s decree, I should not take any part in the booty or the rejoicing. Even the wicked iron-eater, Pope Julius, who was half devil, did not succeed, but had to call at last on the Emperor Maximilian and let him take charge of the game, despite the fact that Julius had more money, arms, and people. I think, too, that this latest pope, Clement, whom people held almost a god of war, succeeded well with his fighting until he lost Rome and all its wealth to a few ill-armed soldiers. The conclusion is this: Christ will teach them to understand my article, that Christians shall not make war, and the condemned article must take its revenge, for it is said of Christians and will be uncondemned and right and true; although they do not care and do not believe it, but rush on more and more, hardened and unrepentant, and go to destruction. To this I say Amen, Amen.

- On war against the Turk, 1528