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    How do you gently arrest someone who is struggling against police restraint?
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    Why did she have to be arrested in the first place? Her "theft" only lasted for about the two meters out the shop door until the employees stopped her, she was not posing a threat when police caught up with her (for whatever reason), she was walking home, so no danger of flight, and was apparently confused and impaired in her communication.

    There is no reason whatsoever for the completely disproportionate response of the officers.
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    How on earth do you expect a grown man to arrest a confused 73 year old woman without breaking her humerus, dislocating her shoulder, and then leaving her lying untreated in a cell for 6 hours while laughing at her with your friends. I mean, that seems like standard procedure to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    How on earth do you expect a grown man to arrest a confused 73 year old woman without breaking her humerus, dislocating her shoulder, and then leaving her lying untreated in a cell for 6 hours while laughing at her with your friends. I mean, that seems like standard procedure to me.
    To be fair, judging from how heavily the officer huffed and puffed after having finally incapacitated Bonnie without Clyde, her walking home holding the wildflowers was probably one of the potentially most lethal struggles against police restraint ever caught in camera. Grabbing and throwing her to the ground like an oversized doughnut you just noticed had praline filling instead of chocolate was probably the only tool available to the law enforcement representative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    How do you gently arrest someone who is struggling against police restraint?
    Well you know, a little muddy a little bloody, broken arm and extended neglect, just the way we roll in America.

    In the interest of staying within ToS I'll avoid most of my thought here and leave it at this, do you consider their treatment with all things considered to be responsible?

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    It always amuses me how Republicans scream their love of Capitalism but start clutching the pearls the moment private businesses won’t do what their political platform wants them too (which is communism).

    First they wanted to tell people how to live. Now they want to regulate private businesses beyond the scope of law. I hear Trump is going to release a little red book of quotations soon. Meh
    Like with Christianity and the police, Republicans don't really like capitalism in and of itself. They only like it when they can use it as a tool to maintain an unjust society with themselves on top. The supposed "socialist" Democrats seem to have a better hang on what capitalism actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    What were the police supposed to do when someone resists arrest?
    Are you telling me these trained police officers have to use such force to apprehend a frail elderly woman with dementia?

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    Well you guys tell me how to arrest someone.
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    Dealing with the police is just like dealing with any other prone to violence armed human; you comply. Whether it is someone robbing or raping or arresting you it DOES NOT MATTER if what they are doing is illegal. You comply. Then later you report violations. That old woman was a serious threat to that cop. Do we really want to live in a world where police don't beat up defenseless old ladies? Next you are going to tell me whites don't deserve more because they stole it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    Like with Christianity and the police, Republicans don't really like capitalism in and of itself. They only like it when they can use it as a tool to maintain an unjust society with themselves on top. The supposed "socialist" Democrats seem to have a better hang on what capitalism actually is.
    They only care about capitalism to the extent they can use it to establish themselves at the top of a modern day feudalistic society.

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    Well you guys tell me how to arrest someone.
    It's quite easy. Don't be a coward. Don't be a jerk. Use reasonable force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enoch View Post
    Dealing with the police is just like dealing with any other prone to violence armed human; you comply. Whether it is someone robbing or raping or arresting you it DOES NOT MATTER if what they are doing is illegal. You comply. Then later you report violations. That old woman was a serious threat to that cop. Do we really want to live in a world where police don't beat up defenseless old ladies? Next you are going to tell me whites don't deserve more because they stole it.
    I’m not sure how much you’ve dealt with people with dementia. But by their very nature they don’t comply. Nursing home staff is trained for this. These officers just broke her bones and proceeded to mock her after. And correctly got fired for their troubles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    I’m not sure how much you’ve dealt with people with dementia. But by their very nature they don’t comply. Nursing home staff is trained for this. These officers just broke her bones and proceeded to mock her after. And correctly got fired for their troubles.
    Look. It’s simple. If you just comply when violence is being used against you, you won’t get hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enoch View Post
    Look. It’s simple. If you just comply when violence is being used against you, you won’t get hurt.
    You don’t know jack about dementia.

    More importantly she sat in a cell for 6 hours with broken bones without even first aid while they mocked her. This is not an argument you will win.

    This is a hill some people might choose to die on but you might want to learn more about both the situation and the nature of dementia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    You don’t know jack about dementia.

    More importantly she sat in a cell for 6 hours with broken bones without even first aid while they mocked her. This is not an argument you will win.

    This is a hill some people might choose to die on but you might want to learn more about both the situation and the nature of dementia.
    She didn’t ask for first aid. How were the police to know she needed it? I suppose you think it’s rape if a woman doesn’t want sex but doesn’t say no too?

    The world can’t function like this. Police need to do an impossible job. Comply and you won’t get hurt makes sense to a lot of people. I admit the majority come from the lower classes and aren’t educated, and there are a considerable amount of Nazis and racists and people who self pleasure to guns and see their version of god as the only one. But there are good people too. True patriots.

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    She didn’t ask for first aid. How were the police to know she needed it? I suppose you think it’s rape if a woman doesn’t want sex but doesn’t say no too?

    The world can’t function like this. Police need to do an impossible job. Comply and you won’t get hurt makes sense to a lot of people. I admit the majority come from the lower classes and aren’t educated, and there are a considerable amount of Nazis and racists and people who self pleasure to guns and see their version of god as the only one. But there are good people too. True patriots.
    No defense for mocking the suspect I see. At least according to you we should treat her like a half-person instead of a quarter-person.

    I mean never mind most cops are trained in first aid as first responders and can at least check the old woman for whatever after. But no. They mocked her.

    You’re really not going to win this on either the old woman’s behavior or the officers behavior. The department wants officers to recognize possible dementia and they definitely want them not to sit around mocking injured prisoners.

    Hire stupid people. Get in stupid situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    No defense for mocking the suspect I see. At least according to you we should treat her like a half-person instead of a quarter-person.

    I mean never mind most cops are trained in first aid as first responders and can at least check the old woman for whatever after. But no. They mocked her.

    You’re really not going to win this on either the old woman’s behavior or the officers behavior. The department wants officers to recognize possible dementia and they definitely want them not to sit around mocking injured prisoners.

    Hire stupid people. Get in stupid situations.
    Mocking injured people is a classic authority move across cultures and times and etc. I bet they asked her if she was hurt and she didn’t answer. You expect cops to be mind readers while calling them stupid. It’s not about winning. So sad people always need to see everything as a contest.

    Comply and you won’t get hurt if you are white. It’s basic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enoch View Post
    Mocking injured people is a classic authority move across cultures and times and etc. I bet they asked her if she was hurt and she didn’t answer. You expect cops to be mind readers while calling them stupid. It’s not about winning. So sad people always need to see everything as a contest.

    Comply and you won’t get hurt if you are white. It’s basic.
    I expect them to check her.

    I expect them to not mock her.

    This is humanity.

    If you think checking her and not mocking her is expensive then find a new career.

    By the way, she's white. So screw any Black Lives Matter debate. They could treat her uhh...well...white. But...well...that fell through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    I expect them to check her.

    I expect them to not mock her.

    This is humanity.

    If you think checking her and not mocking her is expensive then find a new career.

    By the way, she's white. So screw any Black Lives Matter debate. They could treat her uhh...well...white. But...well...that fell through.
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