Discussion and Debate Community Thread

[Aexodus]

What I want to know is this: what is the particular problem with 'femicide' as you called it, when femicide is a fraction of female murders, and female murders are a fraction of all murders, in Brazil.

It's ridiculous to talk about one but not the other.

So high likely another crime of an 'heterosexual, straight, male' incel ...

If i would have an daughter, i would teach her to be self confident and if she is attacked by a man to kick with full power in the nuts and then run away ...

This bit here. How widespread is male on female assault or murder, perhaps by straight men, perhaps by incels, perhaps not even in Brazil.

And is the emoji saying you find heterosexuals, males, or incels repulsive.

[Sir Adrian]

Generally female engage in domestic abuse of their spouse more often than males, only difference is that male abuse is of physical nature whereas females generally target the spouse's reputation, mental sanity and health.

Legio, size or physical strength have nothing to do with considering that because you are a woman you are an object, a possession, something disposable or something that must be controlled or supressed. Everything you have exposed is nothing more than cheap words to deny the fact that machismo kills.

That's not true.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Is gender dependent abortion to be considered a hate crime? Or is it ok to murder women for being women as long as they are in utero? Or is it a sin to assume their gender? The world is so confusing now.

[mishkin]

What I want to know is this: what is the particular problem with 'femicide' as you called it, when femicide is a fraction of female murders, and female murders are a fraction of all murders, in Brazil..

Why you dont care about feminicide Aexodus? it means the death of thousands of women a year.

And is the emoji saying you find heterosexuals, males, or incels repulsive.

If you think so, report it.

[Aexodus]

Why you dont care about feminicide Aexodus? it means the death of thousands of women a year.

The reason I don't particularly care is because murder is murder, and is always bad. The concern around this is clownery the level of that time someone was worried about women who lose their husbands at war, than the soldiers who actually died.

[mishkin]

The reason I don't particularly care is because murder is murder, and is always bad. The concern around this is clownery the level of that time someone was worried about women who lose their husbands at war, than the soldiers who actually died.

Murder associated with machismo is a problem that can be tackled and must be addressed. You dont care about feminicide because you dont care about machismo.

Edit: sorry for making assumptions. do you care about machismo?

[Sir Adrian]

Why not just tackle murder in its entirety? Would society not benefit if ALL murder ceased?

[Lord Thesaurian]

Legio, size or physical strength have nothing to do with considering that because you are a woman you are an object, a possession, something disposable or something that must be controlled or supressed. Everything you have exposed is nothing more than cheap words to deny the fact that machismo kills.

Or you could, you know, read the actual research posted. A bit ironic for people wrapping themselves in the mantle of feminism only to portray women as hapless, passive victims of uncontrollable male aggression, in conflict with the evidence. The latter indicates not only are rates of violence similar between the sexes, but that male victims are perhaps less likely to see it as a problem for the same reason as the female perpetrators: men are more likely to inflict physical injury, and less likely to suffer it, as a result of violence between partners, due to differences in physical strength and social norms. It’s almost like women are people too, with similar impulses and personal failings.

[Cope]

The reason I don't particularly care is because murder is murder, and is always bad. The concern around this is clownery the level of that time someone was worried about women who lose their husbands at war, than the soldiers who actually died.

The quote you're referring to was from Hillary Clinton:

"Women have always been the primary victims of war; women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."

[mishkin]

Why not just tackle murder in its entirety? Would society not benefit if ALL murder ceased?

It is far more feasible to try to make society less macho than to eradicate murder from society.

Or you could, you know, read the actual research posted. A bit ironic for people wrapping themselves in the mantle of feminism only to portray women as hapless, passive victims of uncontrollable male aggression, in conflict with the evidence. The latter indicates not only are rates of violence similar between the sexes, but that male victims are perhaps less likely to see it as a problem for the same reason as the female perpetrators: men are more likely to inflict physical injury, and less likely to suffer it, as a result of violence between partners, due to differences in physical strength and social norms. It’s almost like women are people too, with similar impulses and personal failings.

Oh yeah. Now I am the macho and you, ignoring the fact that women are murdered for the mere fact of being one (something of course not equiparable to men being killed), are the voice of reason.

[Pontifex Maximus]

I find this attack on "machismo" to be incredibly racist and insensitive to different cultural norms.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

So high likely another crime of an 'heterosexual, straight, male' incel ...

Between '...' is a self description, how most incels would describe themself. Its obviously a series of adjectives describing incels.

And yes i find incels repulsive. Thats my opinion. Period.

Incels kill in Toronto or now in Brazil.

For those who are really interested about what Incels are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#...ns_for_beliefs

[PointOfViewGun]

What I want to know is this: what is the particular problem with 'femicide' as you called it, when femicide is a fraction of female murders, and female murders are a fraction of all murders, in Brazil.
It's ridiculous to talk about one but not the other.
This bit here. How widespread is male on female assault or murder, perhaps by straight men, perhaps by incels, perhaps not even in Brazil.
And is the emoji saying you find heterosexuals, males, or incels repulsive.

I'm more curious about why talking about murder of women triggers talking about murder of men as a smokescreen.

[Sir Adrian]

And I am curious why you feel the need to assign gender to murder.

[PointOfViewGun]

And I am curious why you feel the need to assign gender to murder.

Easy. I'm not assigning gender to murder. It has a gender in French language though, and its male.

[mishkin]

And I am curious why you feel the need to assign gender to murder.

Do you accept the fact that thousands of women are killed by men annually for the mere fact of being women? Murdered for being the wife of their murderer, for being the ex-wife of their murderer, the "love interest" or "sexual interest" of their murderer etc?

[Sir Adrian]

Easy. I'm not assigning gender to murder. It has a gender in French language though, and its male.

Then why are you asking Aexodus to ignore murder against a specific gender?

[PointOfViewGun]

Then why are you asking Aexodus to ignore murder against a specific gender?

I didn't ask him to ignore murder of people from a specific gender.

[Cyclops]

So if I understand this, the topic that was introduced is a news story concerning gender related hate crime and this is being marginalized by discussing homicide in general. If you do not want to discuss the issue then why bother responding at all?

No it's a joke. It's like saying all lives matter, super witty.

Smile more mate.

All you have to do is laugh along about murdering women, and how it needs to happen more, and the conversation improves.

[Sir Adrian]

You disagree that all lives matter?

I didn't ask him to ignore murder of people from a specific gender.

But you don't want him to talk about male murders. That's asking him to ignore said murders.