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    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    All parties in Germany's grand coalition government have agreed to ban the Hamas flag after several antisemitic incidents. For those that don't know, the Hamas flag is green, reportedly Muhamad's favorite color according to tradition. On it, written in Arabic is the Shahada, Islam's essential profession of faith: "There is no god but Allah. Muhammed is the messenger of Allah".
    You're saying the Hamas flag is literally greentext?

    Its a shame the central tenet of a religion gets abused like this, marked on a political banner. My own Commonwealth's flag has like a zillion crosses on it. Much better to have a strictly secular flag like the US.

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    This is not the first time Germany has taken decisive against such a hate symbol, Hezbollah's flag has also been banned. So, no more bad flags, problem solved.
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    Stumbled upon a very interesting map. The blue areas are probably due to German mandatory schooling trickling down in the Austrian Empire, but it's amazing how policy set in the 1700s and 1800s can still affect the world 100-200 years later

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    All parties in Germany's grand coalition government have agreed to ban the Hamas flag after several antisemitic incidents. For those that don't know, the Hamas flag is green, reportedly Muhamad's favorite color according to tradition. On it, written in Arabic is the Shahada, Islam's essential profession of faith: "There is no god but Allah. Muhammed is the messenger of Allah".

    This is not the first time Germany has taken decisive against such a hate symbol, Hezbollah's flag has also been banned. So, no more bad flags, problem solved.
    As a wise man once said, politicians are very good at combating symptoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    You're saying the Hamas flag is literally greentext?
    Green with white text in the thuluth script, almost identical to the Saudi flag, except without the sword. I'd post a pic of it, but I don't want to be responsible for whatever anti-Semitic attacks you commit after seeing it.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    Green with white text in the thuluth script, almost identical to the Saudi flag, except without the sword.
    Close enough.

    Bit worried about that Saudi sword, if Cyclops Jnr sees that flag he may spontaneously convert (he's in a bit of a sword phase ATM, I am up to my elbows in wooden gladii, pool-noodle arming swords etc).

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    I'd post a pic of it, but I don't want to be responsible for whatever anti-Semitic attacks you commit after seeing it.
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    First rabbi in german Bunderswehr after WW I inaugurated.

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/e...fice-1.9925258
    Look I know this is a good thing (Germany has been extremely thorough and honest addressing intolerance and its past IMHO), but the last time Germany had toleration and integration like this they won a bunch of wars real quick. Can someone check on Elsaz pls?
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    Recent Monmouth poll has photo ID requirements for voting polling at an overall 80% in favor. Naturally this is driven by white supremacists, with 77% of white people (who are, of course, infected with systemic racism and white privilege) supporting requiring a photo ID to be shown (21% oppose).

    This contrasts sharply with People of Color, who are 84% against requiring photo...
    Wait, what? They are not against?
    Black, Hispanic, Asian and Other support requiring photo ID to vote by 84% (to 13% opposed). 6% higher than whites.

    I think some noble white leftist needs to explain to minorities how requiring photo ID is racist and will disenfranchise them, since Black and Brown Bodies are obviously too stupid to comprehend that...

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-ins...us_062121.pdf/

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    Recent Monmouth poll has photo ID requirements for voting polling at an overall 80% in favor. Naturally this is driven by white supremacists, with 77% of white people (who are, of course, infected with systemic racism and white privilege) supporting requiring a photo ID to be shown (21% oppose).
    This contrasts sharply with People of Color, who are 84% against requiring photo...
    Wait, what? They are not against?
    Black, Hispanic, Asian and Other support requiring photo ID to vote by 84% (to 13% opposed). 6% higher than whites.
    I think some noble white leftist needs to explain to minorities how requiring photo ID is racist and will disenfranchise them, since Black and Brown Bodies are obviously too stupid to comprehend that...
    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-ins...us_062121.pdf/
    This has been explained countless times as photo ID laws do not make getting a new ID free or something you can do without taking a leave from work. How many times do people need to repeat simple factors revolve around voter ID laws?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    This has been explained countless times as photo ID laws do not make getting a new ID free or something you can do without taking a leave from work. How many times do people need to repeat simple factors revolve around voter ID laws?

    They don't care because the point of the laws is to prevent black people from voting. They would limit voting to white men over 50 only if they could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    Recent Monmouth poll has photo ID requirements for voting polling at an overall 80% in favor. Naturally this is driven by white supremacists, with 77% of white people (who are, of course, infected with systemic racism and white privilege) supporting requiring a photo ID to be shown (21% oppose).

    This contrasts sharply with People of Color, who are 84% against requiring photo...
    Wait, what? They are not against?
    Black, Hispanic, Asian and Other support requiring photo ID to vote by 84% (to 13% opposed). 6% higher than whites.

    I think some noble white leftist needs to explain to minorities how requiring photo ID is racist and will disenfranchise them, since Black and Brown Bodies are obviously too stupid to comprehend that...

    https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-ins...us_062121.pdf/
    It is worth noting that in GA (where the voting reform laws were widely attacked by liberals) you can actually acquire a voter ID free of charge.

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    It is worth noting that in GA (where the voting reform laws were widely attacked by liberals) you can actually acquire a voter ID free of charge.
    Clearly reverse psychology engineered by white supremacists.
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    Voter ID laws are racist because black people are too dumb to get an ID. Sure, 90% of black people support voter ID laws, but that's like a toddler who wants to stay up all night; they just don't know any better. As the white/adult, endowed by nature with a superior intellect, you have a responsibility to say NO to them and make their choices for them. Whites are the master race, tasked with taking care of the other races and protecting them from racist Republican ideas like individualism, personal responsibility, and freedom.
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    It turns out that people being opposed voter ID is:
    "...one of the fallacies of Republican talking points that have been deeply disturbing”
    “No one has ever objected to having to prove who you are to vote."

    As one of the best and most greatest Senators ever said:
    “I have never been opposed to voter ID,” and “I don’t know anybody who believes that people shouldn’t have to prove that they are who they say they are.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...rats-voter-id/
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    Things that were criticized in the Georgia's voter suppression bill:


    • Time to request absentee voter ballots are cut in half
    • Bans election officials from mailing out absentee ballots to all voters
    • Drop boxes are severely limited in number and access within certain hours
    • Early voting hours are limited to traditional 9 to 5 rather than letting counties choose
    • Giving water to people waiting on the line is a crime


    So on and on. Voting law fuss is not just about IDs. It's about limiting people's ability to participate in the process free or not.

    Oh, most importantly, free isn't really free. Apart from the time these people need to commit to getting it it's only issued after a vigorous process where you need to provide a number of other original documents. Its easy to talk about it for those who are comfortable of course...
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    It’s unclear why Democrats think Georgia’s voting law is Armageddon; it’s not even clear the changes will automatically benefit Republicans. But, if there’s one thing that’s true in today’s politics, it’s that anything the Democrats decide they don’t like is “racist” and/or “a return to Jim Crow.” The new law actually guarantees mobile ballot boxes, increases state oversight over county election officials, expands early voting access, and shortens runoff election timelines.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/polit...ned/index.html

    It seems the main gripe Democrats have decided to race bait with is absentee voting, since the law tightens deadlines and replaces signature matching (which Democrats insist is racist) with identification requirements for absentee voting, which can be as simple as confirming the last four digits of your social security number (which apparently is also racist).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...05a_story.html

    Detractors lean heavily into Jim Crow themes, but don’t seem to have many specifics, insisting the bill will make it harder for minorities to vote. The inference, then, is that some significant portion of minority voters don’t have IDs, social security numbers, or utility bills, or that they can’t get their own food and water without someone bringing it to them while they stand in line at the polls. That’s obviously not true, so it’s unclear who exactly Democrats are defending by having a meltdown over the new changes. The claim that the law would “criminalize giving people water” has been debunked by fact checkers, but it remains one of the most popular talking points used by people criticizing the legislation.

    https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...iveaways-vote/

    Of course, there’s no mention of the ways in which the law actually makes voting and voting early easier, either. All US citizens have social security numbers, and you have to confirm the the full, not just the last 4, digits in a variety of common, every day scenarios, from signing up for credit card and bank accounts to taking out any kind of loan or filing taxes. Being able to confirm the last four of your SSN instead of going through signature match requirements would presumably be easier, not harder, but this isn’t the first time Democrats have twisted the truth to construe their perceived electoral advantages as “voting rights.”

    Beyond the question of why Democrats don’t think they can win without universal and unrestricted mail in voting and the absence of voter ID, one might wonder what voting is like in other countries. According to a recent report, only 35 of 204 countries allow mail in voting. Far from being a “voting right,” it’s not even common.
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    Many other democracies have “racist” voter ID laws, and a recent Harvard study in the US found voter ID has “no negative effect on registration or turnout, overall or for any group defined by race, gender, age, or party affiliation. These results hold through a large number of specifications and cannot be attributed to voters’ reaction against the laws or measured by campaign contributions and self-reported political engagement.”

    https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/item.aspx?num=55734

    The vast majority of Americans support requiring photo ID in order to vote.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/194741/...ly-voting.aspx

    Most Americans support mail in voting, but believe that universal absentee voting would increase fraud.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/310586/...-november.aspx

    Judging from the last national election, a year in which absentee voting was a matter of personal safety, most people still didn’t plan to vote by mail. Black Democrats were the most likely to prefer in person voting.


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    Based on these figures, it’s clear why Democrats think they have an electoral stake in expanding absentee voting. What’s unclear is what that has to do with race, especially since the voters Democrats claim to protect prefer in person voting.
    This is all old news. As with voter ID, the DNC talking points are quite creative.
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    They were direct paraphrasing from the bill itself but sure. It's easier to dilute an issue with BS.
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    US military training manual describes socialism as ‘terrorist ideology’

    Navy document, obtained by the Intercept, lists political philosophy alongside anarchists and neo-Nazis
    Nice, a step in the right direction!


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    The quest to discover the secrets of Subway's tuna sandwich continues unimpeded. Following the bread controversy, the fish appears equally elusive.
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    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/supreme-co...142200205.html

    .The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled in a major free speech case involving when schools can enforce rules of conduct on social media.

    MORE: Teen cheerleader's Snapchat brings Supreme Court clash over schools and free speech

    The case involves Brandi Levy, who didn't make the varsity cut as a freshman cheerleader for her school, posting a vulgar message to the social media app Snapchat saying, "'F school, F cheer, F softball, F everything,'" she recounted to ABC News Live. Days later, Lee’s school accused her of breaching a code of conduct and suspended her from cheerleading for an entire year.
    This case could have major implications regarding schools regulating speech off school campus. The Supreme Court ruled against the school in this case.

    The decision seems sound as schools having the ability to punish you for off-campus speech or expressing yourself seems like a blatant overreach.

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