Discussion and Debate Community Thread

[PikeStance]

The topic that was introduced is one homicide related to video-games, not gender, which was then artificially spined to be about gender and extended over all homicides in a petty attempt to play the political persecution and the gender victim card.

Is this so,...

Female Call of Duty: Mobile Player Stabbed to Death By Fellow Brazilian Player

Brazilian Call of Duty: Mobile Ingrid “Sol” Oliveira Bueno da Silva was allegedly stabbed to death on Monday (February 22) by a another CODM player in Pirituba, a neighborhood north of São Paulo in Brazil. She was 19 years old.

According to According to ESPN Brazil, Oliveira Bueno da Silva's body was found at the home of Guilherme Alves “Flashlight” Costa, who reportedly recorded a video admitting to the crime on his mobile phone before sharing it with a group of CODM players on WhatsApp, including a gaming organization called Gamers Elite Clan.

It is also alleged that Costa sent images of Oliveira Bueno da Silva's body to group chats on WhatsApp before fleeing the crime scene. He, however, turned himself in to the police at the advice of his brother. Costa reportedly told police that his “sanity is completely fit” and that the murder was premeditated.
According to several news reports, Oliveira Bueno da Silva met Costa through CODM and kept in touch for a month. On February 22, the victim visited Costa at his home before she was stabbed to death. Costa reportedly planned the murder in a small notebook, which has been seized by the police.
Oliveira Bueno da Silva was an up-and-coming player in the Brazilian CODM scene. She played for the FBI Esports organization, and fellow COD organisation Jaguares Esports expressed their condolences and urged the authorities to deliver swift justice.
“It is with deep sadness that Jaguares Esports wishes strength to SOL’s family and the FBI Esports team. We are all in mourning. Rest in peace and justice be done,” they said.

Meanwhile, according to Win.GG, Gamers Elite issued a statement denying any involvement in the incident and advising its members not to share any of the pictures of videos sent by Costa.


“This Monday afternoon, (Guilherme) sent a video on the organization's group on WhatsApp in which he supposedly had just killed a woman, filmed and shared the video. He also sent a PDF where he leaves messages of hatred against Christians and makes a nod to terrorism. After the clan leadership became aware of what happened, we organized ourselves and took necessary measures: We informed the appropriate authorities and asked all our members not to share the video of the alleged crime," Gamers Elite said.
According to IPEA’s Atlas of Violence 2020, a woman is murdered in Brazil every two hours in 2018. Prior to her death, Oliveira Bueno da Silva actively worked with the Battle Girls organization, which spearheaded the BG project to create a safe space for women in esports.



https://sea.ign.com/call-of-duty-mob...azilian-player

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On spiegel.de a email of Costa is quoted, that he has developed a 'hatred against women during the last years".

So high likely another crime of an 'heterosexual, straight, male' incel ...

If i would have an daughter, i would teach her to be self confident and if she is attacked by a man to kick with full power in the nuts and then run away ...

The connection between the two was the video game, but the motivation for the killing was find satisfaction in the killing of a female.

Legio, size or physical strength have nothing to do with considering that because you are a woman you are an object, a possession, something disposable or something that must be controlled or supressed. Everything you have exposed is nothing more than cheap words to deny the fact that machismo kills.

There is also honor killing in which boys are not subjected to and their is the more horrific mutilation of female genitalia.

The reason I don't particularly care is because murder is murder, and is always bad. The concern around this is clownery the level of that time someone was worried about women who lose their husbands at war, than the soldiers who actually died.

You are very dismissive. You seem to have a general lack of knowledge of the issue.

Or you could, you know, read the actual research posted. A bit ironic for people wrapping themselves in the mantle of feminism only to portray women as hapless, passive victims of uncontrollable male aggression, in conflict with the evidence. The latter indicates not only are rates of violence similar between the sexes, but that male victims are perhaps less likely to see it as a problem for the same reason as the female perpetrators: men are more likely to inflict physical injury, and less likely to suffer it, as a result of violence between partners, due to differences in physical strength and social norms. It’s almost like women are people too, with similar impulses and personal failings.

You are still missing the point. Domestic violence is a separate issue. Women targeting men for murder is exceptionally rare when compared to men targeting and abusing women.

Thus far the responses have centered around, one group doing "what abouts" and the other trying to focus on the actual topic. What is the point of discussion the issue/ topic if you going to literally talk around it.

[Cyclops]

Thus far the responses have centered around, one group doing "what abouts" and the other trying to focus on the actual topic. What is the point of discussion the issue/ topic if you going to literally talk around it.

You make very good points and deserve better than sarcastic replies, I apologise.

I take my role as a man in society very seriously. I feel like I have a lot of power and I should share it to strengthen society. I have run into creeps who mutter about women horribly and they baffle me. For whatever reason men have great power, and the idea of an incel is really confusing. How can you fail to make yourself the man you need to be to achieve your ends? Am I being extremely uncaring about fellow humans? Its easy to be powerful when society hands me advantages on a plate like health, education, wealth, status, a great family, and a son at my elbow who wants to play.

Machismo and incel hate seem different strands in the social fabric. Machismo is the fragile manhood that shatters if the man washes a baby or the dishes, but comes with an expectation of hard work too, and in terms of a workable society the macho man will do his work, and the tradwife will do her work, and all the work gets done. It is cultivated by praxis and taboo. Violence here is the man being violent toward his environment, and women can be hurt as property. This is pretty s9implified of course and various ideas of gender roles exist within various societies.

I love my Brazilian friends, they certainly seem to have more defined gender roles as part of their society, but here in Australia they tolerate my crap and I tolerate theirs.

Incels seem to aspire to this sort of status without the praxis: they want to be feared and respected while sitting in front of a screen. There's a lot of rhetoric about "in the middle ages x" but I don't see them shovelling piles of dung for the lord.

I take the point incel culture is partly an invention of self mocking online kids, but enough take it seriously enough that it has led to deaths.

In the 21st century I can care for my son, cook meals, clean. Mrs Cyclops and I share scrubbing the toilet duties and cooking etc (in fact I cook more, she's better at gardening) and my penis hasn't shrunk (in fact my balls seem to be getting bigger, but that's probably old age making them dangle lower).

If the druggie neighbours are playing up I get to stroll down and talk to them. I'm comfortable in that role and I would never send the Mrs to do it. That's sexism and I'm guilty although there's a pragmatic element (I have 20-30 kgs on her and experience in bars to draw on).

At the end of the day so long as the work in society that needs to be done gets done that's what matters. Its helps if people feel valued too and have a variety of choices. I'm not volunteering to carry the foetus to term, because I can't and it'd be weird and I probably lack the emotionally maturity to adapt to the role if it were possible.

[PointOfViewGun]

But you don't want him to talk about male murders. That's asking him to ignore said murders.

That's you putting words in my mouth, not a representation of my actual statements. Why you chose to misrepresent what I said?

[Coughdrop addict]

With CPAC becoming nothing more than a narcissistic whine-fest about "stolen elections", I think it's important to know how Trump and his cult are going to react to his impending legal troubles. If you thought Jan 6 was as bad as it could get you are sadly mistaken.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...rcissist-fails

We often see narcissists in glowing terms as successful leaders of industry, or as heads of state, and yet, more often than not, their malignancy will likely, in time, ensure their own downfall, failure, or even arrest. Be it because they cheat on taxes, because they embezzle money, they circumvent rules and laws, they cheat business partners, they devalue and torment their family or domestic partner to the point of divorce, or in the case of cults (thinking of Jim Jones and Charles Manson here) or as national leaders, they can lead their followers or their nation into actions that are destructive. And so, when calamity strikes or failure of some sort is inevitable, how the narcissist reacts and what we, as potential victims of their actions can expect to see, is what this article is about.
As with many personality disorders, those who are severely flawed of character, but especially the narcissist, when they face public disgrace, when they are outed as criminals or for their misbehavior, or when they fail in a very public way—that is when they become metastable, placing us as family, friends, co-workers, corporations, the public, or a nation in greatest danger. When things begin to sour for the narcissist here is what we can expect:

1. They will falsely claim that everything is fine and that there is nothing wrong. They will try to first misdirect us or claim there is nothing to the allegations or circumstances.
2. If evidence is presented, they will seek to have it invalidated or claim that it is false, fake, or a product of vague conspiracies, but most certainly not true.
3. Any evidence presented, and those that present it will be attacked aggressively and vindictively. The better the evidence the more aggressive the attack. Individuals who are doing the right thing by reporting criminal acts, unethical behavior, or failings are to be discredited, humiliated, hounded and bullied—not even their families are to be spared if need be. The narcissist will engage supporters or enablers to simultaneously attack those who offer proof or evidence, even if it embarrassingly exposes their poodle-like behavior as that of spineless sycophants.
4. Foolproof evidence will be portrayed as false and the result of: pettiness, jealousies, bad actors, malicious individuals, negativity, haters, enemies, losers, conspirators, opposition, gain seekers, the faithless (usually seen in religious groups or cults), or as we are seeing now in American politics, “fake news” or “deep state” actors. There is always a large constellation of people to blame, the narcissist casts wide to see which vacuous claim resonates, especially with their supporters.
5. As they lash out with vindictiveness, the malignant narcissist will continue to talk about themselves in glowing terms; irrespective of their actual situation, as they are incapable of introspection, much less contriteness. They will trumpet their greatness, their achievements (real or imagined), their faux infallibility, and even portray themselves as worthy of being revered rather than reviled.
6. They will seek to find someone to blame for their troubles or downfall, preferably someone that cannot defend themselves. A scapegoat is always useful and when there is not a real one, one will be invented. If they are not promoted or fired, it is because a cabal at work was against them. If they cheat their business partners, it was because they deserved it. If the wife gets the kids in a divorce settlement, it is because of her dastardly attorney, not his abominable behavior. If they lose an election it is because of campaign managers, unappreciative voters, trickery, fraud, or some other kind of malfeasance on the part of a conspiracy (conspiracies are useful to the narcissist because they conveniently require no evidence). As they are not married to the truth, they will prattle countless baseless reasons that all point away, never at themselves.
7. As circumstances become dire, the narcissist will not take any responsibility—EVER! Anything that has gone wrong is the responsibility of others. They will blame spouses as undeserving of their greatness, ignorant colleagues who just don’t measure up, the disloyal (Oh, they love to blame the disloyal), those who abide by rules and laws because ironically, they abide by rules and laws, or those that just clearly did not understand the very specialness of the narcissist. Everyone, and I mean everyone from people long gone, to the peripherally connected, to the earthly departed will be blamed for the failure or downfall of the narcissist. Once more it is never their fault.
8. In the process of casting blame, even the most loyal and stalwart will be discarded and denigrated if needed with reptilian indifference. For the malignant narcissist there is only the “good” — those that provide blind unwavering loyalty who are useful, and everyone else who is an enemy, useless, and thus “bad.” Whether you are in or out, good or bad, is not determined by history, by friendship, sacrifices, or how well you have performed in the past—it is determined by the capricious and selfish needs of the narcissist, and that can change in a moment.
9. Expect lies to increase and to be repeated exponentially. They will, even in light of factual evidence to the contrary, lie more profusely and adamantly. Lies are and always will be the number one tool of the malignant narcissist. The only difference now is that in facing failure or public ridicule, the lies must increase in frequency and audacity to the point of incredulity. The narcissist will expect supporters, the unethical, and enablers to lie for them or even create plausible alibies. That they imperil others by compelling them to lie is the collateral damage the malignant narcissist does as they thrash in despair when they are failing or caught.
10. And while lies will increase, so too will be the need to devalue others in order to further value themselves. They will attack everyone and anyone in the most vicious and vindictive ways. This is when we see their rage come through. Not just anger, but unbridled rage. They will say things that shock the conscience and they expect everyone to swallow what they say, much as their enablers do. The most decent of persons will be attacked, mocked, ridiculed, and turned into a human chew-toy as the narcissist unleashes untethered rage and hatred. They will dip down into a bottomless cauldron of antipathy and like an arterial spurt, will spew this toxic brew far and wide with metronomic regularity.
11. The malignant narcissist lacking guilt or a conscience, is only concerned with respect and not being publicly shamed. Any kind of public embarrassment will cause them further anger, further rage, further attacks, further unethical comportment, and unprecedented incivility.
12. If the narcissist is going to be brought down, they will also seek to bring everyone else around them down to vindictively make them suffer. How the narcissist vilifies, lashes out, or destroys others (spouse, friends, business partners, workmates, the general public) is up to the morbid creativity and depravity of the malignant narcissist, the viable tools they have available, and of course how dire or desperate the situation. The internet and social media are certainly useful as lives can be ruined with a single tweet. But so are guns and rifles, poison, and even assassins for hire. And if they command a country, they can put the security organs or the military to work on their behalf.
13. In certain situations, as the end nears, the suffering of others is paramount to the malignant narcissist. It is their way of elevating themselves—sick as that sounds—by malevolently paying back society with even more suffering. As they lash out, they will show no concern or empathy because they have none. If others are suffering because of their actions, the narcissist simply does not care. Lacking a conscience or any kind or remorse, much like Robert Hare’s psychopath, they sleep very well at night while everyone else is anxious, worried, stressed, physically or psychologically traumatizes all the while nervously and justifiably pondering what further malevolence will take place.
14. As they face failure, arrest, indictment, or dismissal, they will endlessly air their grievances. Narcissists are natural wound collectors and as such, they have been collecting and nurturing social slights and perceived wrongs just for this occasion. They will wallow in victimhood claiming they have been relentlessly and needlessly persecuted. They, of course, expect their attorneys, followers, or enablers to subserviently echo their flatulent claims.

So, what happens in the end? Difficult to predict. Each circumstance is different. Some will kick and flail and disappear for a while, intentionally or thanks to incarceration—biding their time until they can do it all over again. Others regroup, plan, scheme, and prepare another triumphant entry into the lives of the unsuspecting to victimize them when the opportunity arises. Others unfortunately, will seek to do harm as they face a breakup, a divorce, are fired from a job, are outed for their crimes, or are removed from office. Others will hound, stalk, or just make life intolerable for those they deem responsible. Their past can often give us insight as to what they might do, but one can never be sure—humans are terribly complex and as with many afflicted with a personality disorder, sensitive to the smallest of unrecognized but catalytic triggers.

[Twilight Esker]

You disagree that all lives matter?



But you don't want him to talk about male murders. That's asking him to ignore said murders.

This style of argument is completely disingenuous. Nobody here is going to make actual steps towards resolving any murder-related topic, so the question of priority doesn't matter. A poster raised the case of a specific class of murder that occurs in a widespread scale including a small, but noteworthy chunk in Brazil. Every response to it has been lightly shrugging off the potential of this or what I have just quoted, which claims that attempting to discuss one matter is a blanket attempt to ignore everything else.

Talking about tire problems does not mean we are ignoring the rest of the car. Talking about acid rain doesn't mean we're forgetting the planet. It strikes me as whataboutism out of a distaste for the people who made the arguments or a desire to argue for its sake. It's sad to see this appears to be common fare in the section. The matter is only this simple when caricatures of arguments are attacked, not the arguments themselves.

[Sir Adrian]

Under normal circumstances you'd be right, however, to use your analogy, this situation is somebody demanding the we only talk about tire problems to the detriment of everything and only because - according to that person's views - tries are inherently superior to the rest of the car and most deserving of attention.

[Twilight Esker]

Under normal circumstances you'd be right, however, to use your analogy, this situation is somebody demanding the we only talk about tire problems to the detriment of everything and only because - according to that person's views - tries are inherently superior to the rest of the car and most deserving of attention.

That is not correct and requires specific conditions to apply, such as a clear statement that the issue should be acted on instead of others. For the interest of improving my logic, I welcome you to point out where this or related was done. I see it defended as an actual topic after a response sidestepped it with a 'but what about all deaths for men?'. The car is in the garage, someone raises the tire leak and is told stiffly 'well the whole car's broken, who cares?' Not that anyone looking at it is going to fix it or is even a mechanic, but that might dive too far.

In a section like this with an open-ended discussion thread, nothing raised in particular is determined more important unless that is stated. Highlighting the obscure does not hide the obvious, especially if the obvious is already overwhelmingly visible and/or not an immediate hot topic itself.

[PointOfViewGun]

Under normal circumstances you'd be right, however, to use your analogy, this situation is somebody demanding the we only talk about tire problems to the detriment of everything and only because - according to that person's views - tries are inherently superior to the rest of the car and most deserving of attention.

Nobody suggested we only talk about tire problems...

[Abdülmecid I]

In other news, the spokesperson of the Defense department publicly admitted that in Iraq the US troops are opposed to Shia-backed militias. The retired rear admiral and former geopolitics expert for CNN was pretty adamant about it, as twice did the journalists try to correct him, but he nonetheless insisted on them being Shia-backed militias. Not going to lie, if America is at odds with Caliph Ali and his Imam squad, the prospects of the US presence in the region seem pretty bleak.

[Coughdrop addict]

Capitol rioter who put feet on Pelosi’s desk yells in court over pre-trial jailing: ‘It’s not fair!’

Richard Barnett, an Arkansas man who gained notoriety for being pictured with his feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk during the US Capitol riots, yelled in court during a virtual hearing on Thursday.


During the hearing, Judge Christopher Cooper of Federal District Court in Washington suggested the next court date for the man's case to be held on 4 May.

But this caused Barnett, 60, to erupt over the proceedings being extended for a longer period of time while he remained in jail.


“I’ve been here a long time ... another month ... It’s not fair,” Barnett was heard saying about the new court date, according toNBC4.

He's literally lashing out the same way a spoiled child would, because in a child's mind if they pout and sulk they'll get what they want.

Some of the other rioters are finally starting to realize that Trump isn't going to bail them out. He reveled in their worship at his rallies, took every cent they gave him, and directed them to attack the capital, and now that he doesn't need them anymore he callously tossed them like garbage without a second thought.

[Lord Thesaurian]

Technology supply lines are a hot political issue. President Joe Biden signed an executive order on Feb. 26 aimed at securing U.S. supplies of semiconductors, electric-vehicle batteries, drugs, and rare-earth metals.
This won’t be easy, and not just because of China. The dominant companies in semiconductors and advanced batteries are in Taiwan and South Korea. That’s a challenge for Washington, and an opportunity for emerging markets investors.

The Asian tech powers will likely shift some production to the U.S., but supply chain security will still leave a key role for faraway allies.

That means Washington providing security of another sort—particularly to Taiwan, which China officially regards as a renegade province. “The tech bottleneck running through Taiwan is the No. 1 political risk in the world today,” says Matt Gertken, geopolitical strategist at BCA Research.

Money alone won’t solve that, either.

https://www.barrons.com/amp/articles...ty-51614940201

This is something I’ve long had reservations about during both the current and prior administration. Rather than trying to onshore production of critical supplies, the US should be steering it toward our allies who already have a competitive advantage against the Politburo. This would further ensure ample incentive for unified policy to contain Beijing.

[Lord Thesaurian]

New PoTF is up. Please remember to vote/nominate

https://www.twcenter.net/forums/foru...ht-Competition

[Lord Thesaurian]

1. This report concludes that the People’s Republic of China (China) bears State responsibility for committing genocide against the Uyghurs in breach of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Genocide Convention) based on an extensive review of the available evidence and application of international law to the evidence of the facts on the ground.

2. The examination was conducted by recognized independent experts on international law, genocide, China’s ethnic policies, and the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR).

https://3y4moi335jqc3hdi6ss66vpc-wpe...-of-the-GC.pdf

Never again*

*unless you make cheap stuff

[Gaidin]

Never again*

*unless you make cheap stuff

There’s a book that you really need to read.

[irontaino]

Conservatives in the West remain torn; should they be cheering because Muslims are being killed? Or should they try to score some brownie points and tell off the commies?

[Sir Adrian]

Wokesters in the West remain torn; should they be booing because Muslims are being killed? Or should they try to score some brownie points with their commie allies?

[irontaino]

Wokesters will just start a hashtag and call it a day.

[Coughdrop addict]

Conservatives in the West remain torn; should they be cheering because Muslims are being killed? Or should they try to score some brownie points and tell off the commies?

Neither. China will flash a wad of cash at the Conservative elites and tell Conservative voters "Wouldn't it be great if we could kill trans people?" and Conservatives will forget they ever hated China. For evidence see once source of all evil-turned Conservative darling Russia.

[mishkin]

Why we have never talked about how China plans to educate their children to be more "virile"? I am certain that many conservatives here support the measure one hundred percent #StopTheSocialEngineering or something like that? No?

China promotes education drive to make boys more 'manly'

[Vanoi]

https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ce/4655757001/

Kentucky Senate passes a bill to criminalize insulting the police. This law likely wouldn't stand in a court. I thought conservatives were all.about free speech.