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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    It must be so easy to dehumanize your opponents when you just tell them what they believe and want. Let me try:

    You belong to a political group that worships demons. "Your side" wants to sacrifice babies on blood alters to open a portal hell and usher in an army of demons to destroy the world. Don't try and lie by denying it, I have my own perceptions of current events to go off of. No matter what you say, I know "your side" (including demon worshiping retards) want to sacrifice babies to summon demons; I am convinced of it.


    Am I doing this right? Or do I need to repeat the message that "your side" are baby murdering demon worshipers in every single thread I post in order to make it stick?
    You forgot that anyone who doesn't agree with you worships demons.

  2. #4082

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    This is child abuse. White Liberals are committing crimes against humanity.


    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    It must be so easy to dehumanize your opponents when you just tell them what they believe and want. Let me try:

    You belong to a political group that worships demons. "Your side" wants to sacrifice babies on blood alters to open a portal hell and usher in an army of demons to destroy the world. Don't try and lie by denying it, I have my own perceptions of current events to go off of. No matter what you say, I know "your side" (including demon worshiping retards) want to sacrifice babies to summon demons; I am convinced of it.


    Am I doing this right? Or do I need to repeat the message that "your side" are baby murdering demon worshipers in every single thread I post in order to make it stick?
    Idgaf.
    Last edited by Basil II the B.S; August 14, 2019 at 04:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    It must be so easy to dehumanize your opponents when you just tell them what they believe and want. Let me try:

    You belong to a political group that worships demons. "Your side" wants to sacrifice babies on blood alters to open a portal hell and usher in an army of demons to destroy the world. Don't try and lie by denying it, I have my own perceptions of current events to go off of. No matter what you say, I know "your side" (including demon worshiping retards) want to sacrifice babies to summon demons; I am convinced of it.


    Am I doing this right? Or do I need to repeat the message that "your side" are baby murdering demon worshipers in every single thread I post in order to make it stick?
    You forget to add an article about cats as Proof for their Worship of Demons.
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  4. #4084

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    You might want to put spoilers on massive images if you are trying to be anything other than obnoxiously preachy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    This is child abuse. White Liberals are committing crimes against humanity.
    If indoctrinating children with the parents' politics (or religion for that matter) is considered child abuse, I have some bad news for you: practically everyone is a child abuser. I imagine you would abuse your children in the same way, if you have/ever have children.


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    Idgaf.
    Course not, got propaganda quotas to make. Gotta shout the phrases written on script in a dozen threads by midnight.
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  5. #4085

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    You might want to put spoilers on massive images if you are trying to be anything other than obnoxiously preachy.


    If indoctrinating children with the parents' politics (or religion for that matter) is considered child abuse, I have some bad news for you: practically everyone is a child abuser. I imagine you would abuse your children in the same way, if you have/ever have children.



    Course not, got propaganda quotas to make. Gotta shout the phrases written on script in a dozen threads by midnight.
    That depends on the nature of the indoctrination; if you're deliberately reinforcing the idea that your child's immutable characteristics are "harmful" then there's an argument to be made that you're being abusive.

  6. #4086

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    Well, EpicFail beat me to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post

    Course not, got propaganda quotas to make. Gotta shout the phrases written on script in a dozen threads by midnight.
    The main reason your attempt failed is that I have zero interest in defending Nazis. Mostly because they did unspeakable damage to Europe. It's the usual problem: the right knows what's too far, the left does not. When you post something some Nazis did, I don't defend it. When I post something some SJW does, then your first reaction is to deny it happened, attempt to justify it, say it's blown out of proportion or similar bs.

    When the left comes to terms of what's too far on their side, then things may go back to normal.

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    That depends on the nature of the indoctrination; if you're deliberately reinforcing the idea that your child's immutable characteristics are "harmful" then there's an argument to be made that you're being abusive.
    Ever heard of Catholicism? Or any religion that promotes self-shame? Even moderate Christians promote some level of sex or body image shame (immutable characteristics) in their children. And in that tweet, I don't see anything the woman says that indicates she is shaming her son for being a white male. Talking to her child about white male privilege doesn't necessarily mean she is telling him he should feel bad about having those characteristics. Especially with the "praise him for his empathy and kindness, I explain the harm being caused by other white men" seems to imply that she is raising him with a certain political mindset rather than making the kid feel bad about himself for his characteristics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    The main reason your attempt failed is that I have zero interest in defending Nazis. Mostly because they did unspeakable damage to Europe. It's the usual problem: the right knows what's too far, the left does not. When you post something some Nazis did, I don't defend it. When I post something some SJW does, then your first reaction is to deny it happened, attempt to justify it, say it's blown out of proportion or similar bs.
    You don't defend any ideologies, all of your posts are either attacks on your "enemies" or a defense of those attacks. And the idea that Right is more self-critical than the Left is hilarious laughable, at least by US political standards. Ask political scientist Norm Ornstein or Thomas E. Mann, the right wing in the US let themselves be taken over by the radicals. FFS, Roy Moore is still considered a viable Republican candidate; they don't step away from anything.

    Also, you made me lol with your comparison of outrage against Nazis with outrage against SJWs. Good one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    When the left comes to terms of what's too far on their side, then things may go back to normal.
    That could literally never happen. You would not accept anything less than a confirmation of your most niche, extreme partisan assumptions that the Left is out to genocide "White" people (despite much of the Left being "White" themselves) and destroy the world with their liberalness. I am not going to just feed your delusions so you feel better.
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  8. #4088

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    There you go. My point proven within a single post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    It must be so easy to dehumanize your opponents when you just tell them what they believe and want. Let me try:

    You belong to a political group that worships demons. "Your side" wants to sacrifice babies on blood alters to open a portal hell and usher in an army of demons to destroy the world. Don't try and lie by denying it, I have my own perceptions of current events to go off of. No matter what you say, I know "your side" (including demon worshiping retards) want to sacrifice babies to summon demons; I am convinced of it.
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  10. #4090

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    There you go. My point proven within a single post.
    Why won't you just accept my propaganda!
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  11. #4091

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    Ever heard of Catholicism? Or any religion that promotes self-shame? Even moderate Christians promote some level of sex or body image shame (immutable characteristics) in their children. And in that tweet, I don't see anything the woman says that indicates she is shaming her son for being a white male. Talking to her child about white male privilege doesn't necessarily mean she is telling him he should feel bad about having those characteristics. Especially with the "praise him for his empathy and kindness, I explain the harm being caused by other white men" seems to imply that she is raising him with a certain political mindset rather than making the kid feel bad about himself for his characteristics.
    There is a distinction between encouraging modesty and responsibility and "promoting self-shame". That said, you seem to be implying that I either support or am ignorant of sexual shaming within Christian circles; neither is true. With regards to the tweet, we once again find ourselves in the position where the mother's comments would almost certainly be treated as unacceptable by the liberal left were the immutable characteristics she referenced anything other than "white" and "men".

  12. #4092

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    Dude, you just defended a White Liberal Woman attempting to brainwash her own son into believing he's inherently guilty of something because of his race and that's what accomunates him to other people with his combination of race and gender, who are the root of the world's problems ..... because of their race and gender.

    No matter how much you spin it, that's a declaration of war.
    Last edited by Basil II the B.S; August 14, 2019 at 05:24 PM.

  13. #4093

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1c_fail View Post
    There is a distinction between encouraging modesty and responsibility and "promoting self-shame". That said, you seem to be implying that I either support or am ignorant of sexual shaming within Christian circles; neither is true. With regards to the tweet, we once again find ourselves in the position where the mother's comments would almost certainly be treated as unacceptable by the liberal left were the immutable characteristics she referenced anything other than "white" and "men".
    Wait, so you think that if ethnic demographics were completely different in the US, and it was understood that Black men held societal privilege rather than White men, you think this mother would still be talking to her son (daily) about White male privilege? That seems unlikely to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Dude, you just defended a White Liberal Woman attempting to brainwash her own son into believing he's inherently guilty of something because of his race and that's what accomunates him to other people with his combination of race and gender, who are the root of the world's problems ..... because of their race and gender.
    Yes, I know that is how translated the literal words she said in your head, but that is exactly what I am disagreeing with. Unlike you, I don't think talking about White privilege=making White men feel shame. Why do I think that? Why, I have done the miraculous thing called talking about White male privilege while not being ashamed of myself as a White male. Just because you will read a statement that says "We should talk about White male privilege" as: "All White men must die!" doesn't mean everyone else is equally delusional.
    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    No matter how much you spin it, that's a declaration of war.
    Then do it, start the war. I have given up on you as a person who could be reasoned with long ago.
    Last edited by The spartan; August 14, 2019 at 05:51 PM.
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  14. #4094

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1c_fail View Post
    That depends on the nature of the indoctrination; if you're deliberately reinforcing the idea that your child's immutable characteristics are "harmful" then there's an argument to be made that you're being abusive.
    Or indeed any children's immutable characteristics, wouldn't you agree ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post

    No matter how much you spin it, that's a declaration of war.

    Isn't this the rationale of these synagogue, church, mosque and random Hispanic shooters?

    Great Replacement types are always encouraging the next mass murder.
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  15. #4095

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    Wait, so you think that if ethnic demographics were completely different in the US, and it was understood that Black men held societal privilege rather than White men, you think this mother would still be talking to her son (daily) about White male privilege? That seems unlikely to me.
    The notion of "white male privilege" is just old fashioned racialism rebranded for 21st century consumption; I'm sorry that you actually believe it. Presumably (though I can't be sure) the reason that this mother shoves racialist myths down her son's throat and then crows about it online is classic egotism/narcissism.

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    Or indeed any children's immutable characteristics, wouldn't you agree ?
    I would agree with that completely.

  16. #4096

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    Quote Originally Posted by ep1c_fail View Post
    The notion of "white male privilege" is just old fashioned racialism rebranded for 21st century consumption; I'm sorry that you actually believe it. Presumably (though I can't be sure) the reason that this mother shoves racialist myths down her son's throat and then crows about it online is classic egotism/narcissism.
    Can you elaborate? Social privilege is a pretty explored subject that doesn't necessarily have to do with ethnicity, though it certainly can and has. It isn't dependent on a specific race to commit it; any given race who had the social privilege in their society would be "insert race here" privilege. The privilege can come from any social signifier.

    Personally, I find the word "privilege" to describe the social phenomenon problematic in certain ways, as there is a lot of emotional value put on the word; it seems to imply any group with social privilege is living luxuriously. I would just call it a social advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    Can you elaborate? Social privilege is a pretty explored subject that doesn't necessarily have to do with ethnicity, though it certainly can and has. It isn't dependent on a specific race to commit it; any given race who had the social privilege in their society would be "insert race here" privilege. The privilege can come from any social signifier.

    Personally, I find the word "privilege" to describe the social phenomenon problematic in certain ways, as there is a lot of emotional value put on the word; it seems to imply any group with social privilege is living luxuriously. I would just call it a social advantage.
    The elite have used racialism to facilitate their societal positions for centuries; the first and most recognizable instance of ethnic racialism comes from the scriptural account of the bondage of the Israelites 4000 years ago. The concept of "white privilege", whilst obviously not being as immediately loathsome as the Pharaoh's oppression or the Transatlantic slave trade, is still a satellite branch of racialist philosophy. It is a social construct designed to fuel grievances between communities for the purposes of enriching the elite.

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    No, I am pretty sure it is just considered an example of social privilege.
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  19. #4099

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    No, I am pretty sure it is just considered an example of social privilege.
    No it is not. Lumping hundreds of millions of people of different backgrounds, economic means, abilities etc. into a box and claiming that they have some sort of mythical privilege is nonsense. It really does amaze me that anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of history would believe that this garbage is anything other than yet another expression of elitist racialism.
    Last edited by ep1c_fail; August 14, 2019 at 08:48 PM.

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    The privilege is derived from society, no where else. Given that societies frequently place importance of race, especially historically, why does race seem like such an insane category when it comes to social privilege?
    Last edited by The spartan; August 14, 2019 at 09:40 PM.
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