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[PointOfViewGun]

Meanwhile, after Turkish drone fleet destroyed a record number of Russian-made Syrian armor last year, Turkish drones purchased by Ukraine started taking out pro-Russian rebel's artillery, meanwhile the Canadian company that was supposed to supply the original optics for the drones went bankrupt because of the embargo on selling equipment to Turkey. Those who are unable to sperate Turkey with Erdoğan will be on the losing side in the long run.

[Vanoi]

Meanwhile, after Turkish drone fleet destroyed a record number of Russian-made Syrian armor last year, Turkish drones purchased by Ukraine started taking out pro-Russian rebel's artillery, meanwhile the Canadian company that was supposed to supply the original optics for the drones went bankrupt because of the embargo on selling equipment to Turkey. Those who are unable to sperate Turkey with Erdoğan will be on the losing side in the long run.

Losing side in what? Military sales? I'll remind you it's Turkey who lost out on the F-35 and is now asking the US to sell them F-16s and upgrade kits. Erdogan's little temper tantrum caused Turkey's lira to slide down either further. I don't think the West is on the losing side here.

[Heathen Hammer]

And what's Erdogans end-game here? Supporting Ukraine is like like investing into plumbing by flushing cash down the toilet. At the end of the day, Russians will get their hands on one (probably via Novorussians buying a few off corrupt Ukrainian officials like they often to with other Ukrainian equipment before) and reverse-engineer them, probably make them higher quality to, maybe even give a few to various Kurdish groups.
It also pushes Russia closer to Iran, while West doesn't seem to trust Turkey under Erdogan that much, for example France is openly hostile to them over conflicts in North Africa (even getting Russia on their side, that was quite a feat there).
Erdogan's politics simply lead to creation of some kind of Turkish alliance. He should be appeasing Russians, not pissing off the bear.

[Nebaki]

Meanwhile, after Turkish drone fleet destroyed a record number of Russian-made Syrian armor last year, Turkish drones purchased by Ukraine started taking out pro-Russian rebel's artillery, meanwhile the Canadian company that was supposed to supply the original optics for the drones went bankrupt because of the embargo on selling equipment to Turkey.

They are not really bankrupt a problem which can be easily performed while some other customers of Drones from Turkey are using the same System while using Turkish or German made optics. While for example USA is refusing more to sell his Drones even to closed Allies and Israel only with some limitations Turkey does not require something like that.

Those who are unable to sperate Turkey with Erdoğan will be on the losing side in the long run.

This is right but the Company that is now selling those Drones to more then ten countries are some fruits of President Erdogan. It´s not like that he had nothing had contributed to it, even helped managed to disclose further Markets for the Turkish Defence Industry.

Overall anything moreover started that Turkey was using those Drones as COIN on their own Soul aswell in Libya:https://www.aircosmosinternational.c...r-warfare-2613

He should be appeasing Russians, not pissing off the bear.

Why did it would anger you if that "Bear" is getting pissed?

[sumskilz]

Why did it would anger you if that "Bear" is getting pissed?

I think the agenda is rather obvious:

Turkey is not a trustworthy NATO ally

Erdogan... should be appeasing Russians

[Heathen Hammer]

Because pissing off both sides is dumb. France and Russia already work together against Turkish interests in North Africa. Turkey keeps making new enemies, while its allies are Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, whose strategic value is worthless, and the fundamentalist terrorist cells that Erdogan is bankrolling in Syria, which also don't really do anything other then sucking up Turkish money. Its not that I hate Turkey or want it to be Russia's or Western puppet or anything, but from geopolitical perspective, Erdogan is a moron. I mean just look at history, from the times of Vlad Tepes turning Turkish invaders into Halloween decorations, to Entente carving Ottoman Empire like Thanksgiving turkey (sorry not sorry for festive puns), and countless thrashings Russians gave them in between, one lesson Turkey can learn from History is that messing with Russia and Europe in general is a very bad idea.

[Nebaki]

Because pissing off both sides is dumb.

You mean:

France and Russia already work together against Turkish interests in North Africa

Wait isn´t France in the NATO? It´s working with a NATO Rival?

Turkey keeps making new enemies, while its allies are Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, whose strategic value is worthless

Azerbaijan was even in the both World Wars an strategic important turningpoint. Turkmenistan is the Place where the Oghuz Tribe cames from.

Its not that I hate Turkey or want it to be Russia's or Western puppet or anything,

But so on:

but from geopolitical perspective, Erdogan is a moron.

Why because his support in case of Nagorno-Karabakh, Libya, Syria and Aegean? This all would also happen without Erdogan.

I mean just look at history, from the times of Vlad Tepes turning Turkish invaders into Halloween decorations,

Really? Didn´t that guy was a Depressed Paranoid Schizophrenic Maniac that bunkered himself in his own Castle and impaled anyone who was close to enough because of his own Anti-Turkish sentiment? I´m not an expert in History of Romania but it seems to be that Romanian People suffered more from his own Leaders then from foreign Rule.

to Entente carving Ottoman Empire like Thanksgiving turkey (sorry not sorry for festive puns), and countless thrashings Russians gave them in between

Turkey was called even before Turkey then something like "Thanksgiving" existed. So if you think that somebody catched the Idea up and called a Country after Bird maybe think about the Fact that you are wrong in that case.

one lesson Turkey can learn from History is that messing with Russia and Europe in general is a very bad idea.

The Ottoman Empire was like the Austria-Hungarian or Russian Empire a victim of the French Revolution so like the France before the French Revolution overall it also failed in the progress of Mercantilism and Industrialisation.

[Cope]

The Lincoln Project has appeared to claim responsibility for organizing a Charlottesville-themed hate hoax designed to smear the GOP candidate for governor in VA, Glenn Youngkin. Liberal operatives disguised themselves as "unite the right" white nationalists at a GOP event, posed in front of a campaign bus and proclaimed their support for the Republican candidate.

[Lord Thesaurian]

They thought they could do better than the FBI? Lol.

[Prodromos]

Let's hope this backfires in their face and Youngkin wins by an even bigger margin.

[Infidel144]

The Lincoln Project has appeared to claim responsibility for organizing a Charlottesville-themed hate hoax designed to smear the GOP candidate for governor in VA, Glenn Youngkin. Liberal operatives disguised themselves as "unite the right" white nationalists at a GOP event, posed in front of a campaign bus and proclaimed their support for the Republican candidate.

Let's hope this backfires in their face and Youngkin wins by an even bigger margin.

Looks like Youngkin beat the racist Democrat Party to become governor of Virginia:
Republicans capture Virginia governorship, dealing setback to Biden
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/too...ns-2021-11-02/

Larry Sabato on MSNBC:
‘It’s a Bloodbath’: Larry Sabato Delivers the Bleak Outlook for Democrats on MSNBC
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/its-a-bl...rats-on-msnbc/

[Prodromos]

Looks like Youngkin beat the racist Democrat Party to become governor of Virginia:
Republicans capture Virginia governorship, dealing setback to Biden
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/too...ns-2021-11-02/

Larry Sabato on MSNBC:
‘It’s a Bloodbath’: Larry Sabato Delivers the Bleak Outlook for Democrats on MSNBC
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/its-a-bl...rats-on-msnbc/

Republicans also elected Winsome Sears as Lt. Governor - the first black woman to win statewide office in the history of Virginia.

Republican Winsome Sears elected Virginia’s first Black woman lieutenant governor

Sears, an immigrant from Jamaica, said her historic election is living proof that the United States is not a divided country, sending a political message to Democrats on the other side of the aisle.

“There are some who want to divide us and we must not let that happen. They would like us to believe we are back in 1963 when my father came,” said Sears. “We can live where we want, we can eat where want — we own the water fountains,” adding, “We’ve had a Black president elected not once but twice, and here I am living proof … In case you haven’t noticed, I am Black, and I have been Black all my life.”

Edit: more white supremacy

Republican Jason Miyares makes history as Virginia's first Latino attorney general

Republican Jason Miyares, the son of a Cuban refugee, defeated the Democratic incumbent to become Virginia's first Latino attorney general and the first Hispanic elected statewide.

[Cope]

The Durham probe has indicted the primary source of the Steele dossier for lying to the FBI. This follows the indictment of Clinton campaign lawyer, Michael Sussman, for also allegedly lying to the FBI about Trump-Russia collusion.

[Heathen Hammer]

Republicans also elected Winsome Sears as Lt. Governor - the first black woman to win statewide office in the history of Virginia.

Republican Winsome Sears elected Virginia’s first Black woman lieutenant governor



Edit: more white supremacy

Republican Jason Miyares makes history as Virginia's first Latino attorney general

You'd be surprised but Democrats think black people can be white supremacists too, especially when they don't do what predominantly white Democrats tell them to.

[swabian]

The Durham probe has indicted the primary source of the Steele dossier for lying to the FBI. This follows the indictment of Clinton campaign lawyer, Michael Sussman, for also allegedly lying to the FBI about Trump-Russia collusion.

The unfortunate truth is, that your entire USA is more or less a rogueish enterprise. I'm sorry. You want to prove the unethical ruthlessness of someone who is expected to be a squeaky clean dignitary (US senator or congressman) - it's there. Guaranteed.

[Vanoi]

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/...attempt-684311

The Iraqi PM survived an assassination attempt by armed drone. Rumors are it was a pro-Iranian militia group. The PMU militias are known to use drones such as the ones used in the attempt to kill the Iraqi PM. Pro-Iranian parties lost seats in the latest election and called for protests against the current PM. I think they are lashing out and it's going to backfire. Iran is already pretty unpopular in Iraq (along with the USA) and this will likely just finish further the influence the Iranians have in Iraq.

[Heathen Hammer]

Could just be good old American/Israeli intelligence trying to stir stuff up.

[Vanoi]

Could just be good old American/Israeli intelligence trying to stir stuff up.

Could be. Could be an act of God. Could be the boogeyman. No evidence whatsoever indicates US or Israeli involvement.

[Heathen Hammer]

Could be. Could be an act of God. Could be the boogeyman. No evidence whatsoever indicates US or Israeli involvement.

Yet you blame Iran, also with no evidence.

[Sir Adrian]

Could be. Could be an act of God. Could be the boogeyman. No evidence whatsoever indicates US or Israeli involvement.

There are only two countries that operate drones in the region on a wide scale and are known to be technically capable of carrying out high precision assassination missions: USA and Israel.