Medieval Kingdoms Total War: Kingdom of Georgia

[Ltd.]

In this thread I am going to post the current and future units for the Kingdom of Georgia

First the elite of the Georgian army

Monaspa Guard: the heaviest and most experienced unit the Kingdom of Georgia can field. Experts in the use of lance, bow and sword. Bodyguard unit



Monaspa Lancers: specialized in the use of the lance, armored to a lesser extent than their bodyguard brethren, they trade in a bit of armor for better speed and mobility. Devastating charge



Monaspa Guard Archers: these heavy archers chose to dismount from the saddle for a better foothold and deadly accuracy. Hybrid unit - very heavy archer and very good infantry




Now the lesser nobles:

Aznauri Horse archers: rich and powerful, these men can afford a good and fast horse, good maille and leather lamellar armor and experience taught them well how to deal with the steppe horse archers as well as roman and eastern heavy cavalry alike




Aznauri Lancers: lesser nobles, these men prefer the use of lance and do what they know to do best : run down and annihilate all enemies of Georgia . medium shock cavalry.




Rank and file soldiers:

Metsikhovne Spearmen: having the duty to guard the settlements from all invading forces, these hardy and experienced soldiers are very well armed and armored and always manage to stand their ground facing any and all kinds of foe. when deployed on the battlefield they will pin down the enemy until the more mobile cavalry delivers their final deadly charge



Metsikhovne Archers: While capable melee troops on their own, these men prefer to weaken the enemy first with their sharp arrows and when the foe is decimated and in agony, the metsikhovne archers make short work of any remaining poor soul



Kartlian Spearmen: they may not be as well equipped as the metsikhovne, but what they lack in weight, they balance out with courage and the will to serve their country and protect their home



Shuboshani Molashqre: wealthier peasants who can afford at least a leather vest , a simple oval shield and perhaps a helmet, these men are willing to fight but their pride allows them as well to fight rather where there are heavier and more experienced troops to assist them, should their shield fail them.

[Ltd.]

Georgian Horse Archers: these men learnt from the steppe counterparts, while being allied with them or being at war with them, that it pays out just as well to kill the enemy from afar while being mobile, as to sit in one place and to be dependent on heavier troops for protection. They may not be as proficient as the cumans and other turkic horse archers, but they are fast, and should their arrows miss, their sabers never do.



Svanian Highland Archers: hailing form the svaneti region in Georgia, these rugged men are used to hit and run tactics. Who needs armor, when you have a good bow, your high spirit and years and years of experience ?! all georgian commanders knew that if you leave these men enough free space to release their arrows, they will never fail to deliver the georgian coffers carts full of armor, weapons and wounded prisoners, all victims of their expertise.




Speacial troops:

Tadzreuli: the equivalent of the western templars , these men are driven by their faith and not afraid to bloody their swords. God will forgive them fro slaying all enemies of the Kingdom of Georgia and Saint George. very good swordsmen in heavy armour



Khevsur: The highland always makes men tough. these swordsmen hail from the highlands. none can match their swordsmanship and their willingness to fight. they stick to their homes and their lands and defend it to the last. Armored in their good maille and having the sharpest blades their weaponsmiths could produce, a georgian king or queen can always rely on them.

[Stevie G]

I'm absolutely at a loss for words! these units are amazing!!! except for the Georgian flag spearmen on couple of units, i think it's too bright and unnatural. Anyway i can't wait to play as my country! ქართველებო დაუფასეთ ამ ადამიანს საქმე

[XxGetBuck123]

I'm absolutely at a loss for words! these units are amazing!!! except for the Georgian flag spearmen on couple of units, i think it's too bright and unnatural. Anyway i can't wait to play as my country! ქართველებო დაუფასეთ ამ ადამიანს საქმე

Mate you're lucky Georgia was even around back then... I'd be down for some Australian Knights!

[GACHEGACHE]

Mate you're lucky Georgia was even around back then... I'd be down for some Australian Knights!

Trust me friend You have absolutely No idea and knowledge about history of Georgia and if you knew how strong Georgia was back then you would definetly not say such thing oh yes we were lucky enough to vassalize all neighbouring regions too
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ributaries.png

[Shapur e Sassani]

All of them are great but can u use more variants ? they all kinda look the same .

[Ltd.]

All of them are great but can u use more variants ? they all kinda look the same .

The thing with too many variants is the following:

- a lot more variants require a lot more textures, which might (and in case of older graphics cards and processors will definitely will) cause stutter and performance hits.
- as we are working with so many factions, you tend to run out of variants, that is, I wanted to make them somewhat georgian-ish, but at the end of the day I believe armies back then did not look so different from each other in terms of armour. Maille is maille, whether worn by iberians, crusaders, english, hungarians, Georgians, rus or saracen (more or less) . There were obviously variations in helmets, weaponry and shield patterns and designs.
Now, I guess we can agree, that maille was the preferred means of armor, if one could afford it and then one could complement it with lamellar if wealthy, or only lamellar.
So as you can see in the categorization, the wealthiest / most elite units wear maille and lamellar, and the further down you get on the social ladder, you get to leather vest and to tunic.
What I meant with I run out of variants is, that in the same regions you have georgians, trebizond, niceaea, armenia, and obviously they influenced each other and would wear similar armor and gear. so, yeah, it´s hard to give as many variants as I´d like to but still keep so many historically accurate variations open, to have enough for all other factions, in order to avoid them looking the same.
And also, in terms of color, it ´s hard to create color variations, that have certainly been around back then, not bright colors but greens, blues, browns, reds, purples.
Either way, tell me if you have any specific ideas that you´d like to see in the unis

[Slytacular]

I can make some quick helmets for variety if you can link me to some references, Ltd.

[robtim92]

I can make some quick helmets for variety if you can link me to some references, Ltd.

Look up some reenactments. Also, if you guys are interested, I'd like to contribute some helmets as well

[Slytacular]

True living history representation of the medieval Kingdom of Georgia reenactments? Those are non-existent. I've already tried pushing my way through search results of the broken crescent mod, videos of SCA dorks, and medieval fight groups. I'm just wondering if Ltd has any good quality sources to view.

[Ltd.]

well, my source for the Georgian roster was "Armies and Enemies of the Crusades 1096-1291" by Ian Heath , some osprey pictures, old georgian frescoes, the fact that apparently they were heavily influenced by the persians, steppe tribes, like the cumans, and the ERE.
Broken crescent and several other sources as well.
Also, there is this page, if you ppl haven´t seen it yet: link removed


EDIT: it has been brought to my attention, that the link posted regarding some Osprey works is preferably to be removed due to copyright issues.

[Slytacular]

Also, there is this page, if you ppl haven´t seen it yet: link removed due to possible copyright issues , see post 10 /

*Looks at the stack of Osprey books in my room and cries*

I must've overlooked Ian Heath's stuff and I will take a look at Broken Crescent for where they get their sources. Thanks for the link, Ltd!

[UchihaGerson]

I love the units! One small suggestion though: I think the thread formatting of the Kingdom of England preview was better in case you'd like to have a feedback on that side Like already said: The units left me positively surprised till yet, your team rocks!

P.S. I have yet to find a preview for anything about the Portuguese factions... I haven't even found one single picture till now. Could you show our favourite navigators some love soon?

[Ltd.]

I love the units! One small suggestion though: I think the thread formatting of the Kingdom of England preview was better in case you'd like to have a feedback on that side Like already said: The units left me positively surprised till yet, your team rocks!

P.S. I have yet to find a preview for anything about the Portuguese factions... I haven't even found one single picture till now. Could you show our favourite navigators some love soon?

Yep, it does look better. just that I am a father and didn´t really have the time for formatting the thread accordingly. Consider this way to be my artistic representation

[Kjertesvein]

Nice units! I have a question if you don't mind. The medieval Georgian army from previews mods has always struck me as well-rounded and not lacking in either infantry, cavalry or archers. Archers can fight hand to hand and cavalry have range units, covering several fighting styles with the same units if you will. For gameplay reasons, what are going to be the weakness' of the Georgian faction in Medieval Kingdoms 1212AD? What are the things the player needs to watch out for when playing this faction? I don't know, lacking late game armor or something?

~Wille

[Ltd.]

Nice units! I have a question if you don't mind. The medieval Georgian army from previews mods has always struck me as well-rounded and not lacking in either infantry, cavalry or archers. Archers can fight hand to hand and cavalry have range units, covering several fighting styles with the same units if you will. For gameplay reasons, what are going to be the weakness' of the Georgian faction in Medieval Kingdoms 1212AD? What are the things the player needs to watch out for when playing this faction? I don't know, lacking late game armor or something?

~Wille

well, if it was for me, I would use only a handful of units, who can cover most branches , as you mentioned as well, like archers being able in melee, cavalry being horse archers and lancers at the same time etc, but for gameplay purposes we obviously need several units.
The georgian roster is possibly not yet finished, in terms of late era units are there and lacking at the same time.
In terms of equipment and armor, the monaspa are the most advanced and elite troops Georgia can field, and as such could very well serve as late era units, but afaik, after the mongol invasion in the mid 13th century, they were going out of fashion. Also, Georgia had its golden era before the mongol invasion, so it is normal to have the best units in that time.
I could also go for a late persian / ottoman style gear for them . Weĺl see

Regarding their weakness: well, it doesn't necessarily have to be reflected in troop quality, but possibly by the fact, that they are surrounded by powerful enemies. also, we can limit numbers of troops available, and so on.
This period was after all the golden age under queen Tamar and her successors.
Early units won't be very powerful, like the shuboshani e.g; like it is one thing if you are willing to fight , and another if you have the proper training, the guts, and most of all , the equipment.
I am not really in favour of adding to everyone cannon fodder units, in order for them to have dirt cheap and ineffective units, like peasants.
Ideally , I think ,one shouldn't even be able to field large elite armies, but be forced to recruit mercenaries for an ongoing campaign and disband them eventually..
I am not aware of late advanced mail-plate armour in regards to the georgian army, so that may be a weakness as well. Though the monaspa can still take a beating against any late era unit

The political side of things is still under development as well, so we'll see what is the strength and weakness for all factions individually

[GACHEGACHE]

Yes but I should tell you this Mongol invasion did not finally end golden age of Georgia Mongols had conquered eastern and central Georgia while Western Georgia remained Independent and even still managed to get influence in Trebizond empire until Trebizond was also conquered but western Georgia remained independent https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...or_mong_aa.GIF ; http://narikalabooks.com/wp-content/...st_1211131.png so this is how it generally looked like and even the reason why Georgia had lost this territories was because of unpredictable mistakes for example our King LashaGiorgi died after a little battle with Mongols he got wounded and died days later in the city because of infection and ruler became her sister who had absolutely no knowledge of how to rule a country she was raised to get married and happened what happened she made giant mistakes unpredictable and unadecuate commands which led us to losing most of our territories to Mongols... however the most important thing why I'm writing to you is because our golden age didn't end after Mongols right after 80 years Giorgi V "The Brilliant" as he is titled managed to get out of Mongol empire bigger then Georgia was before getting conquered by it, he did not just manage to unite Georgian lands but also the surrounding vassal states of north Caucasus and Shirvan Armenia in borders of Georgia, influence in Trebizond empire and also cross monastery in Jerusalem generally he managed to restore everything Georgia had in golden age and thus restored Golden age of Georgia which continued +50 years in his rule adding it to the years of Georgia's golden age
http://s59.radikal.ru/i163/1109/79/47d3ff246b1b.jpg I hope I helped

[GACHEGACHE]

http://b.pix.ge:81/v/wuxfw.png one more very good map of independent Kingdom of west Georgia during Mongol rule. Also please that idea of adding Ottoman or Persian armours to late Georgian Units please don't do it because that never happened in history we always had our specific armors and clothes and it would be very uncorrect to do it... make them have Georgian clothes just like they had in history please

[warman222]

Ltd., do you want me to touch up the thread a little?

[Ltd.]

sure, if you have time to do so, absolutely