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    LONDON - In a case with echoes of a classic Cold War spy tale, a former KGB agent is clinging to life in a British hospital amid allegations that he was poisoned by the very government he once served.

    Col. Alexander Litvinenko, a former spy, an author and an outspoken critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said he fell ill after meeting with a contact over a sushi meal while probing the murder of Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya.

    The allegations, which have sparked an investigation by British authorities, were dismissed by a Kremlin spokesman as “sheer nonsense.”

    “We cannot comment of the very fact of what happened to Litvinenko, and we don’t consider it possible to comment on the statements accusing the Kremlin because it is nothing but sheer nonsense,” Dmitry Peskov told the Associated Press.

    An anonymous police spokeswoman told The New York Times that specialists were “investigating a suspicious poisoning,” and she described Litvinenko’s condition as “serious but stable.”

    Meanwhile, doctors — who said the exiled former Russian spy has a 50/50 chance of surviving — moved him to an intensive care unit as a precaution after his condition deteriorated slightly on Sunday night.

    ‘Difficult to imagine’
    British news outlets identified Litvinenko’s contact on the day he fell ill as Mario Scaramella, an Italian academic who helped investigate KGB activity in Italy during the Cold War. Scaramella could not immediately be reached for comment.

    Alexander Goldfarb, a close friend of Litvinenko who helped him defect to Britain, said he suspected the former spy had been targeted by the Russian government.

    “It’s very difficult to imagine that presidents order killings, it is true. And nobody is saying that Putin personally ordered this, although it is very likely,” he told the British Broadcasting Corp.

    “Of course we do not have any direct evidence other than he (Litvinenko) met some people during that day,” Goldfarb said. “He actually had a couple of meetings where he had drinks and this poison could be sprinkled there.”

    Asked what evidence he had, Goldfarb said: “What else do you need? ... The suspected killers have a record of similar murders. The only difference is it’s here and not there.”

    In a 2003 book, “The FSB Blows Up Russia,” he accused his country’s secret service agency of staging apartment-house bombings in 1999 that killed more than 300 people in Russia and sparked the second war in Chechnya.

    Litvinenko joined the KGB in 1988 and rose to the rank of colonel in its successor, the Federal Security Service, known as the FSB. He began specializing in terrorism and organized crime in 1991, and was transferred to the FSB’s most secretive department on criminal organizations in 1997.

    He fled Russia and claimed asylum in Britain in November 2000, two years after publicly accusing his FSB superiors of ordering him to kill tycoon Boris Berezovsky, at the time a powerful Kremlin insider and now living in exile in Britain. Berezovsky said Sunday that Litvinenko fell out with his superiors after he exposed corruption within FSB ranks.

    Before he left Russia, Litvinenko was jailed for nine months awaiting trial on charges of abusing his office; he was acquitted.

    One drop can kill
    A spokesman for the Russian embassy in London described Litvinenko’s illness as an “accident” and said it had no involvement.

    “We are not worried about it. We have no concern about it. You need to talk to the Metropolitan police and then wait for the end of the investigation,” he said. “Mr. Goldfarb is his (Litvinenko’s) friend and he can say anything he wants.”

    The alleged poisoning took place on Nov. 1. Litvinenko was hospitalized soon afterward but a toxicology report has only recently identified the cause of his illness.

    John Henry, a clinical toxicologist, told BBC radio Litvinenko was “quite seriously sick” and there was “no doubt” he had been poisoned by thallium.

    He described thallium as a “little bit like table salt” and said even a small amount could kill: “It is tasteless, colorless, odorless. It takes about a gram ... to kill you.”

    Goldfarb said he had visited Litvinenko in London’s University College Hospital and said he looked “like a ghost.”

    “He has lost all his hair, he is very thin, he actually hasn’t eaten for 19 days now,” he said.

    Litvinenko’s case echoed the poisoning of Ukraine’s President Viktor Yushchenko, who fell ill after dining with security service leaders while he was a presidential candidate in 2004. Doctors found he had been poisoned with dioxin.

    Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov was murdered in London with a poison-tipped umbrella in 1978 during the Cold War.

    Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
    Considering that Putin is a former KGB agent himself I can't say that i'm too surprised.

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    This assassination attempt reeks of the FSB, the Russian government seem like the only people that would want him dead, plus the poison used was Thallium... a poison that is quite hard to get a hold of and is one of the poisons favoured by secret agents.

    Also this isn't the first time the Russian security agencies have tried to assassinate a defector in London, anyone remember Georgi Markov? he was shot in lower leg from a special umbrella that fired a pellet poisoned with ricin, he died 3 days later from ricin poisoning.
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    The KGB has a long lasting tradition - since times of WCzeKa and GPU - of ahhinilating "rebelious" agents or those who has been found guilty of treason. Don't forget about Walter G. Krywicki - probably most famous of them all.
    Hhhmm so people like O. Gordijevsky and W. (Rezun)Suworow* can consider themselves as potentional next targets...still.

    *he's former GRU agent

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    So what else is new?
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    The KGB has a long lasting tradition - since times of WCzeKa and GPU - of ahhinilating "rebelious" agents or those who has been found guilty of treason. Don't forget about Walter G. Krywicki - probably most famous of them all.
    I doubt he's the most famous since he's the only person in this thread I've never heard of.
    That, and the fact that googling his name yields no proper results.
    Hhhmm so people like O. Gordijevsky and W. (Rezun)Suworow* can consider themselves as potentional next targets...still.

    *he's former GRU agent
    Suvorov is, among other things, making a mockery of the last name of a great man.
    For that sort of defamation alone I would like to see him shot.
    His defection to the west as a KGB agent is nothing short of treason.
    Fun fact about Suvorov: his books are filled with lies, starting with the author's biography.
    It claims the "heroic" Suvorov was condemned to death in absentia when he, in fact, never was and such a practice did not exist in the USSR even for traitors of rank as high as Vlasov weren't condemned to death in such a way.
    As for the rest of the pseudo historians and conspiracy theorists: Putin would have to have the FSB kill millions to get rid of them all.
    The economic instability of the 90s also produced quite a lot of mental instability, and the end of Soviet repression had the nasty effect of exposing a people who are used to believing everything as long as it's written down in a book or newspaper to lunatics of various sorts.
    As for this man in particular, I can't say I care too much for him.
    His criticism of Putin is no more important than that which is heard at the average Moscow tavern.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat View Post
    I doubt he's the most famous since he's the only person in this thread I've never heard of.
    That, and the fact that googling his name yields no proper results.

    OGPU (Obiedinionnoje Gosudarstwiennoje Politiczeskoje Uprawlenije)1922 - 1934

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    Krivitsky, W.G
    Ia Byl Agentom Stalina
    Zapiski Sovetskogo Razvedchika
    [ I was Stalin`s agent : Memoirs of a Soviet spy]

    Moscow: Sovremennik, 1996
    415 p. [32 ill]
    Hardcover
    ISBN: 5270018659
    Language: Russian
    The memoirs of Walter Krivitsky (S.G. Gershevich) (1899-1941) who was a Soviet agent in Europe before WW2. Thanks to his high rank in the Soviet hierarchy, Krivitsky knew many secrets of the OGPU-NKVD. The book was first published in English more then 50 years ago.

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    Just as an addendum recent news on him suggests the radiation poisoning will kill him. His chances are slim at best.

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    It does appear that anyone intent on pissing off certain important people in Russia should probably forget about eating for a while...

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    If the FSB took care of everyone who pissed off the government, there would be thousands dead.
    As it stands, we have 1 probable in the present, and 1 definite in the fairly distant past of 1978.





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    If Krivitsky was indeed assassinated, he fully deserved it for the act of betrayal that he committed.
    Also, this former spy has now died.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat View Post
    If Krivitsky was indeed assassinated, he fully deserved it for the act of betrayal that he committed.
    Also, this former spy has now died.
    He criticized Putin and the government, killing him doesn't make Putin a dictator?
    If everybody would go and kill every journalist saying bad things about his government we'd be in crap situation...
    Russia should realize they're no longer a superpower and cut this ****.

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    And.... dead.

    Let's watch and wait for the responses from the international community.
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    Hours later, they are mysteriously lacking.





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    I don't see any reason the KGB would kill him, since all his known information were taken by British agency and his book.

    However, his death may caused by some others, might be the British, or Americans use his death to give pressure to Putin's European trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChineseManchurian View Post
    I don't see any reason the KGB would kill him, since all his known information were taken by British agency and his book.

    However, his death may caused by some others, might be the British, or Americans use his death to give pressure to Putin's European trip.
    The KGB doesn't exist anymore. However it is alleged that the SVR one of the agency's that grew from the KGB had a part in Mr. Litvinenko's death. One of the likely contributing factors was the fact that he was investigating the recent assasination of Anna Politkovskaya, herself a very vocal critic of Putin and his tactics.

    Another factor that may have caused 'someone' to decide he had to die is the fact that he was a very vocal critic of Putin, plus his book 'Blowing up Russia : Terror from Within" likely pissed many of his former bosses off. In it he alleges that it was Russian agents that blew up those apartment complexes, not Chechen separatists. A very unpopular thing to say, not only that but a serious allegation considering such a command would have had to come from the top.

    It is very unlikely the British would have had anything to do with his murder considering they were the ones that granted him asylum in the first place. Then you add in the fact that he was eventually granted British citizenship, well makes your assertion that they would have had anything to do with it unlikely. Same goes for the Americans, Americans may actively participate in 'black ops' throughout the world but their targets are terrorist networks and major criminal organizations and drug cartels, not former Russian spies that defect to the west. His defection also was likely a contributing factor as well. All things considered there were many things that likely contributed to 'them' deciding he had to die.

    At least now we are sure of how he was killed, according to British health experts investigating his death, they found a major dose of radioactive polonium 210 in his body. That is a substance that is not easily obtained to say the least. Nor is it easy to transport across borders which suggests a foreign power was involved. Before he died his friend Andrei Nekrasov said Litvinenko told him "The bastards got me, but they won't get everybody.''

    "Kremlin critics claim poisoning, which is very difficult to prove, is a common Soviet-era practice that seems to have reappeared since Putin, an ex-KGB officer, became president." Associated Press.

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    He criticized Putin and the government, killing him doesn't make Putin a dictator?
    If everybody would go and kill every journalist saying bad things about his government we'd be in crap situation...
    Russia should realize they're no longer a superpower and cut this ****.
    Being a superpower has nothing to do with the ability to police your own citizens.
    Also, a dictator is someone practicing absolute power, which Putin is far from doing.

    At least now we are sure of how he was killed, according to British health experts investigating his death, they found a major dose of radioactive polonium 210 in his body. That is a substance that is not easily obtained to say the least. Nor is it easy to transport across borders which suggests a foreign power was involved. Before he died his friend Andrei Nekrasov said Litvinenko told him "The bastards got me, but they won't get everybody.''
    Note: his message wasn't nearly as cryptic as that, he clearly blamed the Russian government.
    "Kremlin critics claim poisoning, which is very difficult to prove, is a common Soviet-era practice that seems to have reappeared since Putin, an ex-KGB officer, became president." Associated Press.
    Since Putin worked in East Germany in cooperation with the Stasi rather than in the proper foreign department, I doubt he had much contact with classical KGB foreign espionage.
    As far as I know, he was an administrator the entire time in the KGB.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat View Post

    Note: his message wasn't nearly as cryptic as that, he clearly blamed the Russian government.

    Since Putin worked in East Germany in cooperation with the Stasi rather than in the proper foreign department, I doubt he had much contact with classical KGB foreign espionage.
    As far as I know, he was an administrator the entire time in the KGB.
    Your right, however I assumed that everybody that has followed this story would know who he was reffering to. Since I don't have 100% proof that it was the Russians I don't want to come out and state that it was for certain Putin or his agents that did it, that is why I reffered to his killers as 'them'. Plus I'm afraid to anger 'them', don't want to be next after all.

    Regardless of where he worked he would have had much the same training and indoctrination that field agents would have. Perhaps not as focused and intense as a field agent if he was expected to sit behind a desk but he still would have been given enough training to be a much more dangerous person than either you or I.

    Not only that but I'm sure he was aware of tactics and methods used by the agents in the field. Add in the fact that as an officer he would have had access to reports of clandestine acts by the agents in the field. The Stasi were after all called the Sword and Shield of the Party and were a very effective intelligence agency at the time. The AP statement is in regards to the apparent resurgence of old Soviet style tactics since Putin became President. Russian agents of the SVR are also thought to be behind the poisoning of Ukranian President Viktor Yushchenko with Dioxin as well.

    A Russian spy was recently arrested in Canada, a man that has been living under a false name in Canada for a long time. It seems to me that the Russians are reviving a lot of the old techniques used by the Soviets, which is why I included the AP quote.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the FSB essentially the KGB with a new badge and name? I thought it was pretty much the same organization and structure, with more or less power than before.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the FSB essentially the KGB with a new badge and name? I thought it was pretty much the same organization and structure, with more or less power than before.
    The FSB took over the duties of the KGB, but under Putin it was refocused towards fighting organized crime rather than internal dissent and foreign spies.
    Now that the resources are available, the SVR (the elite foreign inteligence service) is back in action.
    The KGB and later the FSB are a combination of the FBI, Secret Service and CIA (as well as parts of the national guard) in American terms.
    Just like America, Russia has an elite foreign inteligence service separate from the others- the SVR.
    Your right, however I assumed that everybody that has followed this story would know who he was reffering to. Since I don't have 100% proof that it was the Russians I don't want to come out and state that it was for certain Putin or his agents that did it, that is why I reffered to his killers as 'them'. Plus I'm afraid to anger 'them', don't want to be next after all.
    You forget a major possible culprit: the exiled rich.
    Obviously they seek the overthrow of the regime that cut them off from power and ill gotten money, and as such are willing to sacrifice a few rather minor pawns in their movement in the name of personal profit.

    Regardless of where he worked he would have had much the same training and indoctrination that field agents would have. Perhaps not as focused and intense as a field agent if he was expected to sit behind a desk but he still would have been given enough training to be a much more dangerous person than either you or I.
    Well, he did join a martial arts section as a young man, and KGB agents do get some hand-to-hand training, so yes, he is more physically dangerous than you and me.
    Not only that but I'm sure he was aware of tactics and methods used by the agents in the field. Add in the fact that as an officer he would have had access to reports of clandestine acts by the agents in the field. The Stasi were after all called the Sword and Shield of the Party and were a very effective intelligence agency at the time. The AP statement is in regards to the apparent resurgence of old Soviet style tactics since Putin became President. Russian agents of the SVR are also thought to be behind the poisoning of Ukranian President Viktor Yushchenko with Dioxin as well.
    And yet, as always, there is no proof.
    There are a dozen explanation and due to the secretive nature of the business, no particular one can be confirmed as the real one.
    A Russian spy was recently arrested in Canada, a man that has been living under a false name in Canada for a long time. It seems to me that the Russians are reviving a lot of the old techniques used by the Soviets, which is why I included the AP quote.
    Reviving?
    He has been living in Canada for 12 years.
    And just this summer Russia arrested some British spies and their collaborators.
    The difference between now and the Cold War is that now the west and Russia spy on each other while their leaders smile and shake hands.
    Just check this out. It's footage from the Victory Day parade of 2005.
    Same regiments, same red flags flying, same old men with dozens of medals.
    The difference is that our executive now wears a western suit and America's executive stands next to him while the Soviet/Russian anthem plays.





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat View Post
    You forget a major possible culprit: the exiled rich.
    Obviously they seek the overthrow of the regime that cut them off from power and ill gotten money, and as such are willing to sacrifice a few rather minor pawns in their movement in the name of personal profit.


    Reviving?
    Your right I didn't think of the exiled rich, however as I stated I doubt they or anyone else could have gotten the polonium 210 into that sushi bar to assasinate him. They detected radiation at that restaurant and that was where he was meeting his contacts in regard to his investigation of Anna Politkovskaya's murder. So it is possible the exiles had something to do with it, but I doubt it. It was the AP that said the Russians were reviving the old Soviet tactics, I just mentioned them because it was relevant in regards to the poisoning of Mr. Litvinenko.

    Regarding SVR sleeper agents such as Paul William Hampel, I only mentioned him because it was big news here and I felt I should mention it because not a lot of people around the world pay attention to news coming from Canada. China has recently been accused of spying in Canada lately as well. Although that is more a type of commercial espionnage rather than political spying. Anyway every foreign power that can afford a spy agency has one. So I'm not surprised to hear about the British spies you mentioned.

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