Medieval Kingdoms Total War: General Overview (WIP)

[Swarbs]

Two years after this mod takes place the English lose the Battle of Bouvines to the French (1214) and subsequently lose Normandy as well. It might make some sense to have the map that way.

It was the loss of Chateau Galliard that saw the English lose Normandy, Bouvines was the failure of their attempt to retake it. So the map as it stands is correct - the French already control Normandy.

[Visarion]

This is astonishing! Speachlesssssssss!!!!!!!!

[alejandromachine]

when can i download it?

[TheIronTyrant]

You can't, there is no Attila released version yet. This mod is still mid-development. You can however download an extremely early version of the mod for Rome II as discussed in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qaldTWvs5Y (the link to the download page is in the description).

[warman222]

So I figured I'd post this here, after much discussion we think we finally have a definitive list of what factions will be playable in MK:

1. Kingdom of England
2. Kingdom of Scotland
3. Kingdom of Gwynedd
4. Kingdom of Ireland
5. Kingdom of France
6. Duchy of Burgundy
7. County of Toulouse
8. Crown of Aragon
9. Kingdom of Castile
10. Kingdom of Navarre
11. Kingdom of Portugal
12. County of Flanders
13. Duchy of Brabant
14. Kingdom of Denmark
15. Kingdom of Sweden
16. Kingdom of Norway
17. Holy Roman Empire
18. Schwyz
19. Kingdom of Bohemia
20. Duchy of Lombardy
21. Republic of Genoa
22. Republic of Pisa
23. Kingdom of Sicily
24. Papacy
25. Republic of Venice
26. Despotate of Epirus
27. Latin Empire
28. Empire of Nicaea
29. Empire of Trebizond
30. Kingdom of Hungary
31. Grand Principality of Serbia
32. Second Bulgarian Tsardom
33. Lesser Poland
34. Duchy of Silesia
35. Teutonic Order
36. Grand Duchy of Lithuania
37. Kievan Rus
38. Chernigov
39. Volga Bulgars
40. Cuman Khanate
41. Khwarezmian Empire
42. Mongol Hordes
43. Kingdom of Georgia
44. Cilician Armenia
45. Seljuks of Rum
46. Zengid Dynasty
47. Abbasid Caliphate
48. Crusader States
49. Ayyubid Sultanate
50. Kingdom of Makuria
51. Zagwe Dynasty
52. Almohad Caliphate

I think this is a fair representation of everyone. Most areas get at least two factions. Also I should note that some of unplayable vassals will have their units as part of their master's roster in custom battle. Like the Earldom units will be playable by England or Bavaria by HRE. I hope you guys like our selection.

[cloud700]

So I figured I'd post this here, after much discussion we think we finally have a definitive list of what factions will be playable in MK:

1. Kingdom of England
2. Kingdom of Scotland
3. Kingdom of Gwynedd
4. Kingdom of Ireland
5. Kingdom of France
6. Duchy of Burgundy
7. County of Toulouse
8. Crown of Aragon
9. Kingdom of Castile
10. Kingdom of Navarre
11. Kingdom of Portugal
12. County of Flanders
13. Duchy of Brabant
14. Kingdom of Denmark
15. Kingdom of Sweden
16. Kingdom of Norway
17. Holy Roman Empire
18. Schwyz
19. Kingdom of Bohemia
20. Duchy of Lombardy
21. Republic of Genoa
22. Republic of Pisa
23. Kingdom of Sicily
24. Papacy
25. Republic of Venice
26. Despotate of Eprius
27. Latin Empire
28. Empire of Nicaea
29. Empire of Trebizond
30. Kingdom of Hungary
31. Grand Principality of Serbia
32. Second Bulgarian Tsardom
33. Greater Poland
34. Duchy of Silesia
35. Teutonic Order
36. Grand Duchy of Lithuania
37. Kievan Rus
38. Chernignov
39. Volga Bulgars
40. Cuman Khanate
41. Khwarezmian Empire
42. Mongol Hordes
43. Kingdom of Georgia
44. Cilian Armenia
45. Seljuks of Rum
46. Zengid Dynasty
47. Abbasid Caliphate
48. Crusader States
49. Ayyubid Sultanate
50. Kingdom of Makuria
51. Zagwe Dynasty
52. Almohad Caliphate

I think this is a fair representation of everyone. Most areas get at least two factions. Also I should note that some of unplayable vassals will have their units as part of their master's roster in custom battle. Like the Earldom units will be playable by England or Bavaria by HRE. I hope you guys like our selection.

No Ottoman Empire playable

[Tighes_Hood]

I believe they are an emergent faction, maybe you can transform into them as the rum under the right conditions.

[NutmegYankee]

No Ottoman Empire playable

The Seljuks of Rum are essentially the Ottoman Empire.

[kanzy]

The Seljuks of Rum are essentially the Ottoman Empire.

To some degree but not quite, Both are Turks yes but house of Osman ruse to power after the Seljuks of Rum's power disintegrated a few decades after losing to the Mongols and becoming their vassals.

[alejandromachine]

when can i download it? maybe on this february?

[FrozenmenSS]

So I figured I'd post this here, after much discussion we think we finally have a definitive list of what factions will be playable in MK:

1. Kingdom of England
2. Kingdom of Scotland
3. Kingdom of Gwynedd
4. Kingdom of Ireland
5. Kingdom of France
6. Duchy of Burgundy
7. County of Toulouse
8. Crown of Aragon
9. Kingdom of Castile
10. Kingdom of Navarre
11. Kingdom of Portugal
12. County of Flanders
13. Duchy of Brabant
14. Kingdom of Denmark
15. Kingdom of Sweden
16. Kingdom of Norway
17. Holy Roman Empire
18. Schwyz
19. Kingdom of Bohemia
20. Duchy of Lombardy
21. Republic of Genoa
22. Republic of Pisa
23. Kingdom of Sicily
24. Papacy
25. Republic of Venice
26. Despotate of Eprius
27. Latin Empire
28. Empire of Nicaea
29. Empire of Trebizond
30. Kingdom of Hungary
31. Grand Principality of Serbia
32. Second Bulgarian Tsardom
33. Lesser Poland
34. Duchy of Silesia
35. Teutonic Order
36. Grand Duchy of Lithuania
37. Kievan Rus
38. Chernignov
39. Volga Bulgars
40. Cuman Khanate
41. Khwarezmian Empire
42. Mongol Hordes
43. Kingdom of Georgia
44. Cilian Armenia
45. Seljuks of Rum
46. Zengid Dynasty
47. Abbasid Caliphate
48. Crusader States
49. Ayyubid Sultanate
50. Kingdom of Makuria
51. Zagwe Dynasty
52. Almohad Caliphate

I think this is a fair representation of everyone. Most areas get at least two factions. Also I should note that some of unplayable vassals will have their units as part of their master's roster in custom battle. Like the Earldom units will be playable by England or Bavaria by HRE. I hope you guys like our selection.

With this list of what factions will be playable in MK Im already planning deleting 1000+ Hours of my Life....


BTW there were no Ottomans in 1212ad.But They are rebel faction in the mod.

[Påsan]

So I figured I'd post this here, after much discussion we think we finally have a definitive list of what factions will be playable in MK:

1. Kingdom of England
2. Kingdom of Scotland
3. Kingdom of Gwynedd
4. Kingdom of Ireland
5. Kingdom of France
6. Duchy of Burgundy
7. County of Toulouse
8. Crown of Aragon
9. Kingdom of Castile
10. Kingdom of Navarre
11. Kingdom of Portugal
12. County of Flanders
13. Duchy of Brabant
14. Kingdom of Denmark
15. Kingdom of Sweden
16. Kingdom of Norway
17. Holy Roman Empire
18. Schwyz
19. Kingdom of Bohemia
20. Duchy of Lombardy
21. Republic of Genoa
22. Republic of Pisa
23. Kingdom of Sicily
24. Papacy
25. Republic of Venice
26. Despotate of Eprius
27. Latin Empire
28. Empire of Nicaea
29. Empire of Trebizond
30. Kingdom of Hungary
31. Grand Principality of Serbia
32. Second Bulgarian Tsardom
33. Lesser Poland
34. Duchy of Silesia
35. Teutonic Order
36. Grand Duchy of Lithuania
37. Kievan Rus
38. Chernignov
39. Volga Bulgars
40. Cuman Khanate
41. Khwarezmian Empire
42. Mongol Hordes
43. Kingdom of Georgia
44. Cilian Armenia
45. Seljuks of Rum
46. Zengid Dynasty
47. Abbasid Caliphate
48. Crusader States
49. Ayyubid Sultanate
50. Kingdom of Makuria
51. Zagwe Dynasty
52. Almohad Caliphate

I think this is a fair representation of everyone. Most areas get at least two factions. Also I should note that some of unplayable vassals will have their units as part of their master's roster in custom battle. Like the Earldom units will be playable by England or Bavaria by HRE. I hope you guys like our selection.

Great fan of your earlier R2 works and I cant wait for this (I also know a bunch of TW dedicated youtubers who are pretty anxious to get their hands on this^^)

One question though, How come Norway is playable when they are not really on the map?

[Swarbs]

Great fan of your earlier R2 works and I cant wait for this (I also know a bunch of TW dedicated youtubers who are pretty anxious to get their hands on this^^)

One question though, How come Norway is playable when they are not really on the map?

I believe Norway will be a horde, similar to the Mongols. Maybe not entirely historical, but arguably the best way to represent them on a map where Norway is excluded.

[nnnm]

the Ottomans where there at 1212 but they weren't independent till 14thC and they located near Ahlat (Akh'latt) in eastern front of rum seljuks back then. after Sultan Ala'Eu Ad'Din of Rum seljuks defeated khawarizm shah in Yassi Jemn, he rewarded Erutghul (Osman ghazi father)with Iqta to the west for his deeds in the battle and Erutghul was able to take Sugat village in about 1231. most of the smaller Atabegs (or beyliks) were part of main sultanate they come from. the story that Ottoams came from central asia is weak because Erutghul was born near Ahlat also he was part of Kayqubath army in Yassi Jemen battle

[OutsiderKK]

So as they were not independent, there is no reason to have them in the game. Because if you add Ottomans you are gonna have to add all Anatolian Beyliks that gained independence from the fall of Sultanate of Roman Lands(Rum). I prefer seeing the Beyliks that were independent in Eastern Anatolia at the time...

[Swarbs]

The Ottomans didn't really exist - Ertugrul was just the leader of a Turkish tribe, no different than hundreds of others. The Ottomans only emerged as a result of the actions of Osman, around 70 years after the start of this mod, and didn't become independent until 1299.

Shoehorning the Ottomans into the starting set up of the mod would be like shoehorning the Timurids in on the basis that they descended from the Mongols and thus their ancestors would be alive at the starting date of the mod.

[+Marius+]

the Ottomans where there at 1212

Nope, the name is tied to the dynasty, whose founder, Osman Ghazi ben Ertuğrul, did not emerge as Sultan until 1299, thus, they could not have existed prior to that.

[cloud700]

Nope, the name is tied to the dynasty, whose founder, Osman Ghazi ben Ertuğrul, did not emerge as Sultan until 1299, thus, they could not have existed prior to that.

I knew they didn't exist at that period I was hoping that we could play them as a emerging faction.

[OutsiderKK]

The Ottomans didn't really exist - Ertugrul was just the leader of a Turkish tribe, no different than hundreds of others. The Ottomans only emerged as a result of the actions of Osman, around 70 years after the start of this mod, and didn't become independent until 1299.

Shoehorning the Ottomans into the starting set up of the mod would be like shoehorning the Timurids in on the basis that they descended from the Mongols and thus their ancestors would be alive at the starting date of the mod.

Timurids did have some Mongols amongst them but they didn't really descent from Mongols. Timur saw Genghis Khan as an idol but that is very much like Sultanate of Rum considering itself as the new Roman Empire. That is why Sultanate of Rum had a Roman Eagle on their banner. Timur was Uzbek and had both Turkic and Mongolic people under him. And about Ertuğrul you are right. He was the chief of the Qayi(kayı) tribe of the Oghuz branch; and a Bannerlord to the Seljuk Sultanate of Rum...

[+Marius+]

Timurids did have some Mongols amongst them but they didn't really descent from Mongols.

Actually, they did.

He was an ethnic Mongol from the Barlas tribe.

A lot of his troops were also descendants of Mongols and his Empire was considered a revamped Mongolian Empire as he used the restoration of it as the sole reason for his wars.