Changes in pike men.

[swhunter]

Hi DVK, are we planing to change the Lev pike men for Sparta and the Greek influence states? That I requested a few months ago?
For them to have just tunic clothes, pilos helmet, shield but no Armour for all factions. Since they are a citizen force it makes since it would cost less for their economy.
From research it appears these lower class units had them. Even more experienced units did also, like Sparta and other weak factions.
Thanks bud, great seeing you again.

[dvk901]

Hi DVK, are we planing to change the Lev pike men for Sparta and the Greek influence states? That I requested a few months ago?
For them to have just tunic clothes, pilos helmet, shield but no Armour for all factions. Since they are a citizen force it makes since it would cost less for their economy.
From research it appears these lower class units had them. Even more experienced units did also, like Sparta and other weak factions.
Thanks bud, great seeing you again.

Could you show me an example of a 'pilos' helmet. Perhaps another unit (that has one) could be used for that?

[Alavaria]

Doesn't the Spartan Ekdromoi Hoplite use the pilos?

Equipped with a trusty pilos helmet, their only protection, along with the shield

[dvk901]

Doesn't the Spartan Ekdromoi Hoplite use the pilos?

Ahh...thanks friend.

[swhunter]

Here are a few more.

[swhunter]

Tunics.




The Tunic should be browns, or gray, no red, because only true Spartans would wear red. These are common people aiding the army. Also no grieves. I seen many books and art that have Spartans fight in the nude. But we will not go there. Hope this helps. Nice seeing you again DVK.

[swhunter]

Hi guys, yes I can. Look at the Spartan hoplite. https://www.google.com/search?q=real...1sSyeU8Khqg%3D The guy siting down, is for the common solider Those with the plumes, are for other commanders. From what I read when we worked on this. This was the most common helmet. It was far less expensive and easy to make. Also, the warrior could see and hear well. We used the Corinthian type for eye candy for our Spartan commanders. The rest we tried to make it more realistic. Even though the Spartan empire was falling apart at this time. The Levy pike-men should be used as citizen warriors. With a Pilos, helm, long pike, and with a normal type shield. Also wearing a tunic. We can pass this along to any faction. But, having different shields. But make the shields worn, not new. Since Sparta is trying to survive the war costs.



This is ours. This is a good type. We can have the tunic off the shoulder or a full tunic.

[LoGaL]

i beg you, do a single post, with SPOILERS plsssss

[swhunter]

Sorry it's been a while trying to fit in the large pics.
Take care.

[DeathtoEgo]

So what if you just recolored the macedonian levy pikemen for greek city states and sparta?

[swhunter]

That might work, DeathtoEgo I seen them. They have Pilos helms and tunics. As long as all Levy units have no armor for all factions that carry the pike-men unit.
But other suggestions are fine. It's not much of a change, I just didn't like when we released the mod years ago with Levy linothorax pike-men. But we had plenty gong on at that time.
leon

, Nice site, I liked those units as well. They did an excellent job.

[Alavaria]

I think those are the actual same units recolored...

They should both be the "greek_levy_pikemen" unit

[leoni]

he guys, i would guess you should check out neos final upload...between many awesome units, you will find a spartan pylos hoplite with and without helm feathers...
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...-models/page43

[swhunter]

So, DVK, is that OK? Just tunic the Levy pike units?

[dvk901]

So, DVK, is that OK? Just tunic the Levy pike units?

I'm going to test the 'ekdromoi hoplitai' first to see if the model can even function as a pike unit. It is the only unit in the game that is 'outfitted' as you desire.

Edit: The model won't work, nor are there textures that would work to substitute for the ones we used. So I did some checking in RTRVII and EB, and in both cases they portray a unit that is essentially a 'levy pikeman' just as we do. Are you sure that for our time period the unit you suggest would be correct. RTR calls it's unit (that looks like ours) a 'reform' unit.......so perhaps they changed?

[swhunter]

I do understand that Mace uses it's own levy pike unit, and they have tunics, no Armour. I was asking to see if we could do the same with Sparta and other Greek units to have the pilos and Tunic clothing. From what I read, they wouldn't place their Armour on less experienced units. But I will search more. Thanks DVK, good seeing you.

[Alavaria]

I do understand that Mace uses it's own levy pike unit, and they have tunics, no Armour. I was asking to see if we could do the same with Sparta and other Greek units to have the pilos and Tunic clothing.

It's not its own unit, Macedon and Sparta both use the same "greek levy pikeman" unit, they are cleverly textured & mapped etc to not look the same though

[swhunter]

It's not its own unit, Macedon and Sparta both use the same "greek levy pikeman" unit, they are cleverly textured & mapped etc to not look the same though

For Sparta also? I just looked at all the Mace units. Which are used for Mercs for Sparta. But only Mace spearmen Levy pike unit,[ tunic] is found in Mace, not in Sparta's Mercs list. And I guess elsewhere for the Greeks. This Macedonia unit doesn't have a pilos, I can't remember the name of their helmit, but it's round.
If you can show me, I like to see it. Thanks. I do know they share the next upgrade unit, the Levy pike unit, with the Linothorax Armour.

[Darth Bane1]

But that reform unit in RTRVII represents a phalangite unit made of Perioikoi and in RS we have the same as mid-phalanx unit above the levy unit. In my opinion, Sparta doesn't need this unit as two phalanx units are enough. There are plenty more in the AoR roster as mercenaries, which is perfect for a historical Sparta campaign. Or we could simply call it Helotoi Phalangitai or Neodamodai Phalangitai for freed-helots and give it its own model/skin, but than we need space...

[swhunter]

Yes Sparta has 2 Phalangite units for RS2. The Greek units, which Sparta and others use as mercenaries have the light armour, the Greek layered linen armor, Linothorax.
My only question is Macedonia has that unit, with the Tunic clothing on their levy Pike units, I'm not sure what their helmet is, its been a while. Sparta cannot recruit that type of unit, but can with the other types. I was just asking if there is some way to have those lower class Levy Pike men,[ with tunic and Pilos ] which I believe Sparta would use to fill in the gaps of their army. Specially since they were a weak nation at that time. I like the idea of Mercs, I don't see any that fit that design for Sparta to recruit in Macedonia that has Tunic clothing and pilos. There are many units that have pilos helmets and tunic clothing in each faction.