Unit Suggestion Thread

[ABH2]

This was brought up in another topic by Age of Empires, and it's a decent one that can help our mod team out. Some other mod teams have done this going back to Rome 1, and it definitely has its uses. Especially with traffic to our forum picking up and so many people having interest in the project. Simply put, if you have ideas for units of any kind, post them along with some helpful source material and our mod team will take it into consideration.

Our mod team is dedicated to a combination of accuracy and authenticity. It's a tricky balance, and not every unit will make it in, but I'm a big believer in community cooperation. I would love to see the ideas you all have and it can cut down our workload. Pictures and citations are always a big help.

[ipwnu678]

Theres a rome 2 mod with AOR auxiliaries, i use it alongside caesars legions. So perhaps since you are including caesars legions, perhaps auxiliary troops too?

[Son of Horus]

Is there a unit limit in Attila? Does that make a difference to the number of units available?

Can some by Campaign only?

[Petellius]

I think we should have a petty free reign on that front. Also I believe we'll be using some DeI auxiliaries buy happy to use more

[ABH2]

Yes, units can be available in just campaign and there is no limit.

Theres a rome 2 mod with AOR auxiliaries, i use it alongside caesars legions. So perhaps since you are including caesars legions, perhaps auxiliary troops too?

If there's one thing we don't lack for with the DeI merger, it's AOR units. I'm not against creating more or different ones. But right now we have quite a bit on our plate.

The thread is just to suggest particular units. Of if you have a particular mod you think would be useful, post it and we will see if we can get permissions.

[ipwnu678]

Hmm.. How about some form of reformed legionaries unit for a select few factions and for historical client-states of Rome

[Petellius]

No one but Rome used legions. They may have raised, trained or bought legions but I don't think it prudent to give the seleucids, numidians, Armenians or Galations legion troops. Roman influenced for sure but not actual named and numbered legions.

[Willhelm123]

I think the name "Heavy Infantry" is good for Roman styled Infantry rather than Legionaries. With an appropriate unit description explanation for them of course.

[ipwnu678]

Not actual legions, but heavily influenced infantry that fight in a similar manor to the Roman legions. "Reformed Legionaries" or "Reformed Infantry" is generally the name I've seen given to these types of units in the past.

[Petellius]

Not actual legions, but heavily influenced infantry that fight in a similar manor to the Roman legions. "Reformed Legionaries" or "Reformed Infantry" is generally the name I've seen given to these types of units in the past.

Well I can well imagine things like this existing , I just hated how Rome 1 had all these legion copycats that just made no sense. We already have a few roman influenced units (you can see this in the Carthaginian Roster).

[ipwnu678]

I can indeed see the influence, and I like it so far

[the lightning legion]

DeI calls them Thorakitai Legionarioi or something to that effect

BTW does anyone know the singular for argyraspidai?

[Revan The Great]

I'd recommend looking at Roma Surrectum's 'Greek Cities' faction for inspiration on the Achaean/Aetolian Leagues, rather than trying to cobble together Rome 2 Athenian/Spartan units to make a faction. In particular, I'd have 'Achaean Hoplites', 'Achaean Phalangitai', 'Aetolian Thureophoroi' as main line, professional units. And then add AOR units like Athenian Hoplites, Corinthian Hoplites that are a little higher quality but maybe limited in number.

I think for these factions, it's important to differentiate some unique units from important member cities, and then have more generalized units to represent contributions from less important member cities. But, hopefully with unique skins - i.e. an actual unit, named 'Achaean Hoplites' with alpha symbols on their shields to represent the league, and perhaps slightly different stats from generic Hoplites.
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Also, I'd kill for a properly implemented, and playable Bithynia. That is, a more or less Hellenized Thracian population/roster. Hopefully diverse and interesting like Pontus.

Are you guys intending to make most or all factions playable?

[The Wandering Storyteller]

Wasn't expecting this, but awesome!


Add Sassaind Pusthabghan into the Parthian army, they did exist.

Pushtigban (#1 old appearance #2 new): These impressive and famous units were elite noble chosen cataphracts, or Royal cataphracts. They were extremely heavy, beeing the tanks of the ancient world. The combined the weight of their entirely cladded, chosen, crossed breeds of Nisean horses and their own body armour, to be the heavyest cavalry unit in the world by far. This was probably sufficient, even at relatively low speed, to devastating any heavy infantry line, including the seleucid phalanxes. Entirely covered, using a kontos for the charge, at short range, and an heavy mace made of steel and lead for the melee, they were pure infantry breakers, pushing with a great and unstoppable blow and then hammering with no mercy the troops in disarray. All this, of course, was performed after a very long skirmishing and a non-ending rain of arrow performed during a whole day, if not several, by day and by night, by thousands of uncatchable horse-archers... The Pushtigban then always delivered the "coup de grâce" of crushing, decisive blow. Performed at great scale, they wiped out the Seleucids, disintegrating the legions of Crassus, after beeing crushed themselves by the Sassanids.
I'd love Silver Selecuid Legionnaires and Cataphracts to look like this:




Parthain Cataphracts in heavy armor:

[secbird 218]

Could you please if possible make the british war chariot how it is supposed to be. A light and fast moving skirmisher unit that can be dismounted for melee combat causing terror on the battlefield particularly towards horses.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...PXEJ9mWFkaUpuA

[ABH2]

We have had some conversations on war chariots, but as of now I don't think there's anyway to get the AI to dismount. I'd like cavalry in general to do it, but the AI just doesn't use it. I would like to do more accurate chariots, which I think DeI has touched on some. But making them the mobile transport system Caesar described...unfortunately, unlikely.

[Heisenburrg]

AND some nice non hellenistic, egyptian troops (with typical egyptian clothes and eye paintings, evt. chariots), very wild (but no naked ) british tribesman , Immortals and parthian/eastern steppe riders
So... I am done ^^

[Heisenburrg]

Id like to see the classical legionaries like its showed at the picture of the post #14 of Age of Empires 2 HD or pretorian guards (style from the movie "Gladiator" please ). I am sure you already planned stuff like that... BUT this leads to
one question; if the start date of campaign is 202 BC you would need (with 4 turns per year) 400 turns (which is pretty much for a campaign) to even reach 102 BC. How should you reach Cesarean or Augustean period in which this troops belong like its planned? I am afraid of never reaching the time with the cool, classical roman units (except unit development isnt depended on time like in the marian reforms concept)

Besides of this; absolutely perfect work until now, keep going

P.S: Oh... Also nice would be some very frightening, wild, germanic troops like Wolfpelts-Units or painted soldiers. You know some of these guys a Roman dont want to meet in the forrest at night

[Marcus Marcellus]

Heisenburrg has a point. If im not mistaken the Egyptian army was more native than greek by the time Ceasar came around to stoll down the nile, maybe have a technology that gives bonuses at money and the like but at the downside of an "army reform" into less professional cheap soldiers?

As a unit id like to add there is several, thou same. AoR Legionarii, Not specific legions, but instead Eastern legionaries, Northen Legionaries, Hispanic Legionaries and African Legionaries.

The Eastern being the same armor as the northen but lighter/brighter colors whilst the African ones being lighter armed maybe in the disputed lether Lorica Segmentata. The northen ones being the same as Hispanic but with a cloak of thicker cloth? And as was historically accurate they could have different colors on the shields, Brown for Africans/eastern and Red for The Northern/Western legions. I remember something about Cornelius Sullas Legion had Black shields for example. That would make it so that they got more of an identity of where they were stationed.

Now I am talking about Ceasarian/Augustian Imperial Legions. Not that make shift army of the old republic

[ipwnu678]

Marcellus, add me on steam and we will see what i can do about your shield colours. Im currently half way through a seperate shield mod in R2 that the AE time will be using. I usually try to go with re-enactors (some of which found historical shields!) designs but i am very open to suggestions

http://steamcommunity.com/id/fagridthegreat